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The point the OP is making is not about the justification used by the US Admin, but instead a point about how when a country has nuclear weapons, they are typic

The point the OP is making is not about the justification used by the US Admin, but instead a point about how when a country has nuclear weapons, they are typically not invaded, because you risk those weapons being used. NK developed a weapon and has some degree of safety from direct invasion.

aianus 6mo ago
NK is safe from invasion because of conventional artillery pointed at Seoul. That's why they were able to develop nuclear weapons in the first place.
compsciphd 6mo ago
Israel has been invaded multiple times while having nuclear weapons. Ukraine has invaded Russia here and there during the war even though Russia has nuclear weapons. The argument is weak, because in general the countries that have nuclear weapons wouldn't be invaded even if nuclear weapons did not exist.
- DiogenesKynikos 6mo ago
  Since it developed nuclear weapons, Israel has never been invaded by a foreign country. Israel launched the 1967 war, and in 1973, Egypt only attacked occupied Egyptian territory. Same for Syria.
  - compsciphd 6mo ago
    that's trying to move the goalposts. You are trying to make it a moral argument while the argument is a practical one. It shouldn't matter if a country's territory is occupied or not if nuclear weapons are the ultimate deterrent.
    - DiogenesKynikos 6mo ago
      The fact that the 1973 war only occurred in Egyptian and Syrian territory actually had a major impact on how other other countries reacted to it. Even the US - Israel's main backer - basically treated Egyptian and Syrian war aims as legitimate. There is a widespread belief that Israel would have used nuclear weapons if the Syrians and Egyptians had broken through to Israeli territory, and that this was one of the major American motivations for resupplying the Israelis during the war.
    - noah_buddy 6mo ago
      You moved the goal posts, at least on what I inferred the point to be. Nothing is an “ultimate deterrent” to war.
  - w0m 6mo ago
    Does October 7th count?

aianus 6mo ago

NK is safe from invasion because of conventional artillery pointed at Seoul. That's why they were able to develop nuclear weapons in the first place.

compsciphd 6mo ago

Israel has been invaded multiple times while having nuclear weapons. Ukraine has invaded Russia here and there during the war even though Russia has nuclear weapons. The argument is weak, because in general the countries that have nuclear weapons wouldn't be invaded even if nuclear weapons did not exist.

DiogenesKynikos 6mo ago
Since it developed nuclear weapons, Israel has never been invaded by a foreign country. Israel launched the 1967 war, and in 1973, Egypt only attacked occupied Egyptian territory. Same for Syria.
- compsciphd 6mo ago
  that's trying to move the goalposts. You are trying to make it a moral argument while the argument is a practical one. It shouldn't matter if a country's territory is occupied or not if nuclear weapons are the ultimate deterrent.
  - DiogenesKynikos 6mo ago
    The fact that the 1973 war only occurred in Egyptian and Syrian territory actually had a major impact on how other other countries reacted to it. Even the US - Israel's main backer - basically treated Egyptian and Syrian war aims as legitimate. There is a widespread belief that Israel would have used nuclear weapons if the Syrians and Egyptians had broken through to Israeli territory, and that this was one of the major American motivations for resupplying the Israelis during the war.
  - noah_buddy 6mo ago
    You moved the goal posts, at least on what I inferred the point to be. Nothing is an “ultimate deterrent” to war.
- w0m 6mo ago
  Does October 7th count?