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Zed: We Overhauled Our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy
- soal 7mo ago«ARBITRATION NOTICE. Except for certain kinds of disputes described in Section 15.2 (Dispute Resolution and Arbitration), you agree that disputes arising under these Terms will be resolved by binding, individual arbitration, and BY ACCEPTING THESE TERMS, YOU AND ZED ARE EACH WAIVING THE RIGHT TO A TRIAL BY JURY OR TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY CLASS ACTION OR REPRESENTATIVE PROCEEDING. ALTERNATIVELY, CUSTOMER MAY OPT OUT OF ARBITRATION PER SECTION 17.2(a).» It's awful.
- alfiedotwtf 7mo agoI wonder how many licenses throughout the years people have blindly clicked agree while the dispute resolution clause read: “Trial by Combat”
- goodmythical 7mo agoWell shit, alternatives?
- akagusu 7mo agoHere is a fork: https://gram.liten.app/ https://gram.liten.app/
- soal 7mo agoOh, cmon, code editors are plenty. I read this in my inbox and uninstalled Zed. It's not my main editor though.
- logicprog 7mo agoJudging from the opt out section and other parts of the ToS it seems pretty clear to me that most of the terms only apply (including the arbitration clause) to if you're using their online services. I don't get what the big hooha is about
- tripplyons 7mo agoThe good thing is you can still use their software without signing in and having to agree.
- ValueNull 7mo ago> Age requirement. You must be 18 or older to use the Service. Terrible rule, even if effectively unenforceable.
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- d1sxeyes 7mo agoThe terms themselves don’t seem to restrict use of the editor, just “the Service”, which is defined as the subscription service (separate to “the Software”). Not sure why the email was phrased this way but it seems to be misaligned with the actual terms. Huge self-own.
- keernan 7mo ago>>You must be 18 or older to use the Service. I suspect this is because minors cannot normally be legally bound by contracts they sign.
- theherk 7mo agoBinding arbitration is the most sure fired sign of an organization that hates its users and is fully against the rule of law and the rights of consumers. What a deeply disappointing development. I’d rather an organization kick puppies and kidnap babies than implement binding / opt OUT arbitration. I’m so irritated by this. It is the first major misstep by the organization and unfortunately makes you about as honorable as Microsoft. Absolutely galled. I hope there will be a hard fork that is properly maintained and doesn’t hate its users.
- akagusu 7mo agoHere is a fork: https://gram.liten.app/ https://gram.liten.app/
- alfiedotwtf 7mo agoThese are usually standard clauses in any legal contract
- theherk 7mo agoYes, in the USA, largely due to the Federal Arbitration Act and generally weak consumer protections, it has become the norm to force users to give up their rights in this way, to move from publicly funded dispute resolution complete with accountability and transparency, to a private funded system which nearly always benefits corporations, prevents acting as a class, and prevents appeal. That isn't acceptable.
- noplacelikehome 7mo agoThey are absolutely not common in Europe, and aren't even generally enforceable in consumer contracts. They're considered non-binding, as they're "unfair terms" in the Unfair Terms Directive 1993.
- alfiedotwtf 7mo agoFunny to think about this though… since no money was exchanged, is it even binding given there was no consideration?