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From what I understand it's the opposite, an android compatibility thing layered on top of a linux base.
by ggus 7mo ago
From what I understand it's the opposite, an android compatibility thing layered on top of a linux base.
- seba_dos1 7mo agoIt's both; the one I mentioned is for system drivers, the one you're talking about is for running applications (which you can also do on a regular non-Halium GNU/Linux using e.g. Waydroid).
- mariusor 7mo agoI'm sure that if you tell Jolla about a relatively modern mobile SOC with mainline linux support, they'll look into it instead of relying on libhybris.
- seba_dos1 7mo agoThey can rely on libhybris if they want, why should I care - I just object to calling that "a full-stack alternative", especially when alternatives do exist.
- mariusor 7mo agoModern SOC alternatives for a phone that can be used as a daily driver? Please do tell...
- seba_dos1 7mo agoModern full-stack alternatives exist. I've been daily driving a Librem 5 running a Debian derivative for years.
- mariusor 7mo agoThat wasn't modern when they released it in 2020. Jolla chose a little more pragmatism for their hardware in the hope that they actually sell phones to other people than 100% open-source purists. I find it funny when dudes like you go all "well awkshwally" on them...
- seba_dos1 7mo agoIt sure was, it's a 2019 design with a 2018 SoC - but you may want to read the comments you reply to again, as that's hardly the point.
- mariusor 7mo agoWhat I was trying to tell you with my original reply to you is that Jolla chose a different point on the free/pramatic curve of available SoCs. They selected a phone that's more likely to be used by average people rather than a fully open one. (You can still see in this very thread, complains about the high price for what it offers, showing they haven't fully succeeded, at that.) Pointing out that they still rely on Android drivers for booting the thing is a little tone-deaf from my perspective when they're basically choosing a different path towards a similar goal to Purism and other alternative mobile vendors: higher availability of non Google, non Apple mobile devices. Perfect is the enemy of good and all that. And like I explained the reason for their choice is not nefarious but a pragmatic one.
- seba_dos1 7mo agoAnd what I was trying to tell you is that they're free to choose whatever point on the curve they want and pursue that as long as they don't misrepresent what they're doing. What is "full-stack alternative" supposed to mean when it relies on the very thing it's supposed to be an alternative to? What is Purism's effort then, "even fuller-stack alternative"? Words have meanings.
- mariusor 6mo ago"full-stack" is the word used by OP, not Jolla.
- Hackbraten 7mo agoI use my Librem 5 as a daily driver, and I’m certainly not an open source purist. What I do care about is that my phone isn’t going to run into obsolescence a few years down the road (due to hard kernel forks and YOLO’ed device drivers that are not going to be updated for newer kernels).