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...because reading and writing well-written prose is meaningful and enjoyable? It feels like half the people here do not read or write in their free time, whic
by mirawelner 7mo ago
...because reading and writing well-written prose is meaningful and enjoyable?
It feels like half the people here do not read or write in their free time, which would be understandable if this were not primarily a site for software engineers who write (sorta) as a job
- csande17 7mo agoIt is funny how that's basically one of the core points the article makes -- and in fact the article paints Hacker News commentors specifically as people who don't see that kind of inherent value in craft and artistry -- but the AI-generated summaries those people are relying on have missed it completely.
- mirawelner 7mo agoI actually disagreed with that particular point made in the article, because I don't really see myself as somebody who sees value in craft and artistry, I just want effective code that works (which imho LLMs cannot create). But after reading this comment section... I mean if enjoying well written prose counts as enjoying craft and artistry I guess I do then? Damn.
- jrflowers 7mo ago> because reading and writing well-written prose is meaningful and enjoyable? This is not prose, it is exposition. It is perfectly valid to critique any expository essay, especially one of this length, for its density (or lack thereof) of substantive information.
- mirawelner 7mo agoI somewhat disagree that this is not prose? This didn't seem like a purely expository piece. Like if it were just a straightforward technical piece than yeah its way to long, it could have been a few sentences. But this seemed like it bridges the gap between prose and an expository essay -it was doing both.
- jrflowers 7mo ago> prose and an expository essay -it was doing both. Putting prose in an essay means there are more valid criticisms of a piece of writing, not fewer. If somebody is breakdancing and reciting the periodic table at the same time it’s ok if somebody notices if they skipped the lanthanides and actinides. I’m a fan of blending the two! It’s just really really hard to do both well at the same time. My most recent example is Malcolm Harris’ history of Palo Alto, it is incredibly well-done.
- mirawelner 7mo agoSure, but the specific critique that it is too verbose seems less valid if one of the primary purposes of the piece was to be prose.
- jrflowers 7mo agoThat’s kind of the point that I was making. When you mash the two together, both lenses are valid critiques. It’s an exponentially more difficult way to accomplish either goal because one reader will see it and think “this is a sixteen thousand word essay that says very little” and another will see it and think “what a wonderful story” and there’s nobody to adjudicate who is correct. Like I posted “this is sixteen thousand words about how the author doesn’t really use language models but might one day” and some folks’ rebuttal is that they enjoyed reading it. Those are two completely unrelated things! It’s like if folks saw the cover of The Hobbit and thought “Hell yeah!” and then when they read “there and back again” thought “whoever wrote that was being unnecessarily reductive”
- pavo-etc 7mo agoSometimes writing can both contain information and be beautiful? This article is charming and thoughtful. Its style may not be for everyone, but for me it really hit, I am thoroughly enjoying reading it. Its style gives me no problem calling it prose. A person writing an essay on their own site doesn't need to have the information density of bus timetable.
- bendmorris 7mo agoThis a hilariously ironic parallel to the debate over whether code is an art or a science, referenced right in the article. It can be both.
- SanjayMehta 7mo agoNobody reads any more. It's been that way for at least ten years. Nobody writes any more, without prompting.
- jbxntuehineoh 7mo agoplenty of people read. maybe you're just an illiterate surrounded by illiterates?
- SanjayMehta 7mo agoI'm on Hypocrisy News, with you, so yes, you're right.