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> While the IDF unquestionably committed various war crimes over the course of the conflict anyway, the bulk of what people found objectionable very well might

by eirini1 7mo ago

> While the IDF unquestionably committed various war crimes over the course of the conflict anyway, the bulk of what people found objectionable very well might have been done in total accordance with international law. I think this is somewhat out of touch, the main reason this conflict has garnered so much attention is the amount of times Isreal commits war crimes.

wk_end 7mo ago
Let's suppose it could be demonstrated conclusively that every hospital in Gaza that Israel has bombed had Hamas militants operating out of them, as Israel has claimed. Do you think that'd silence Israel's critics about bombing hospitals? Do you think it should?
- worik 7mo ago
  > Do you think it should? No. This is asymmetrical warfare The only route Israel has to victory, now, is genocide. They need to stop and make peace before they earn a place with Pol Pot and Stalin as genociders
  - joe_mamba 7mo ago
    >before they earn a place with Pol Pot and Stalin as genociders What makes you think Israel cares about a label more than conquest via genocide? Did the Nazis care about being called genocidal? If you want to stop IL you need to do it via force.
  - mvdtnz 7mo ago
    This is nonsense. The total annihilation of Hamas and disarmament of Gaza would be sufficient for Israel and you know it.
    - manyaoman 7mo ago
      Even if that’s true, I can’t blame Gazans for refusing to become slaves.
      - naasking 7mo ago
        The OP said "destruction of Hamas and disarmament of Gaza" would suffice. Does that necessarily entail slavery?
        manyaoman 7mo ago
        Nothing is certain, but it seems likely since Palestinians in the West Bank don’t have basic freedoms either despite no Hamas presence.
    - cess11 7mo ago
      Why would the israelis prefer to deal with PIJ through some temporary disarmament? Anyone who listens for a bit to israeli mass media will soon be convinced that anything but the extermination of the palestinians is not enough. This is why they bulldoze everything archeological that does not play into zionist myth making. This is also why apartheid is common in local politics in Israel, and why the zionist guerillas and later IDF systematically destroyed the homes and property of the people they displaced, long before the appearance of Hamas. As I usually do, I'd also like to remind that the zionist movement is mainly a movement of christians.
throwaway3060 7mo ago
If that was true, then why does it seem this conflict has gotten much more attention than the Russia-Ukraine war, which is on a much larger scale?
- ceejayoz 7mo ago
  The power imbalance probably plays a role. Certainly no one's donating Patriot batteries and F-16s to Gaza. (I'm also not sure I'd consider the Russia/Ukraine war to be… undercovered in the press.)
  - magic_hamster 7mo ago
    The only country out of the four mentioned who was given a donation of arms is Ukraine.
    - ceejayoz 7mo ago
      That’s a gutsy claim. Delusional, but gutsy. https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-abo...
- cess11 7mo ago
  It has been going on for a century or so. It is also a crime of occidental states. One could also argue that Palestine, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Sudan, Yemen and more places are in interconnected violent processes, where the 'axis' of Israel, the US, UAE, UK and allies are perpetrating heinous crimes without any semblance of accountability.
  - throwaway3060 7mo ago
    For much of that time frame, the Soviets were also meddling in the Middle East. That the middle east conflicts were themselves part of the Cold War rather than something unrelated, is knowledge that has gone forgotten in the West, I think.

by eirini1 7mo ago

wk_end 7mo ago

Let's suppose it could be demonstrated conclusively that every hospital in Gaza that Israel has bombed had Hamas militants operating out of them, as Israel has claimed. Do you think that'd silence Israel's critics about bombing hospitals? Do you think it should?

worik 7mo ago
> Do you think it should? No. This is asymmetrical warfare The only route Israel has to victory, now, is genocide. They need to stop and make peace before they earn a place with Pol Pot and Stalin as genociders
- joe_mamba 7mo ago
  >before they earn a place with Pol Pot and Stalin as genociders What makes you think Israel cares about a label more than conquest via genocide? Did the Nazis care about being called genocidal? If you want to stop IL you need to do it via force.
- mvdtnz 7mo ago
  This is nonsense. The total annihilation of Hamas and disarmament of Gaza would be sufficient for Israel and you know it.
  - manyaoman 7mo ago
    Even if that’s true, I can’t blame Gazans for refusing to become slaves.
    - naasking 7mo ago
      The OP said "destruction of Hamas and disarmament of Gaza" would suffice. Does that necessarily entail slavery?
      - manyaoman 7mo ago
        Nothing is certain, but it seems likely since Palestinians in the West Bank don’t have basic freedoms either despite no Hamas presence.
  - cess11 7mo ago
    Why would the israelis prefer to deal with PIJ through some temporary disarmament? Anyone who listens for a bit to israeli mass media will soon be convinced that anything but the extermination of the palestinians is not enough. This is why they bulldoze everything archeological that does not play into zionist myth making. This is also why apartheid is common in local politics in Israel, and why the zionist guerillas and later IDF systematically destroyed the homes and property of the people they displaced, long before the appearance of Hamas. As I usually do, I'd also like to remind that the zionist movement is mainly a movement of christians.

throwaway3060 7mo ago

If that was true, then why does it seem this conflict has gotten much more attention than the Russia-Ukraine war, which is on a much larger scale?

ceejayoz 7mo ago
The power imbalance probably plays a role. Certainly no one's donating Patriot batteries and F-16s to Gaza. (I'm also not sure I'd consider the Russia/Ukraine war to be… undercovered in the press.)
- magic_hamster 7mo ago
  The only country out of the four mentioned who was given a donation of arms is Ukraine.
  - ceejayoz 7mo ago
    That’s a gutsy claim. Delusional, but gutsy. https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-abo...
cess11 7mo ago
It has been going on for a century or so. It is also a crime of occidental states. One could also argue that Palestine, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Sudan, Yemen and more places are in interconnected violent processes, where the 'axis' of Israel, the US, UAE, UK and allies are perpetrating heinous crimes without any semblance of accountability.
- throwaway3060 7mo ago
  For much of that time frame, the Soviets were also meddling in the Middle East. That the middle east conflicts were themselves part of the Cold War rather than something unrelated, is knowledge that has gone forgotten in the West, I think.