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I live in a civilized European country and gravely miss the freedom of speech I had in the USA that I don't here. I'm terrified one tweet will get me jailed for

by robk 7mo ago

I live in a civilized European country and gravely miss the freedom of speech I had in the USA that I don't here. I'm terrified one tweet will get me jailed for 30 months.

seattle_spring 7mo ago
Considering the degree of "hate speech" a Tweet would have to contain to land someone in jail includes direct incitements of violence, I'm scared to ask what sort of opinion you'd like to share that you feel you legally cannot. The claim that you get thrown in jail in London "just for sharing your opinion" is a myth, unless your opinion is, "round up everyone of race X, put them in a hotel, and burn the hotel down."
- juniperus 7mo ago
  the amount of people arrested for online activity in England is not the best example to use if you're arguing that such events are rare. otherwise, your incredulity to such a belief is why the far-right continues to gain a constituency in Europe and elsewhere. so instead of dismissing the concern, which fuels the far-right, you could just acknowledge it is a real thing people are experiencing, and that it doesn't help a liberal free society to criminalize thoughts that are unsavory to the political elite.
  - seattle_spring 7mo ago
    The "real thing people are experiencing" is posting unambiguous hate speech or calls for violence, and then getting in legal trouble for it. Calling it "online activity" or "just sharing their opinion online" is the actual blatant misrepresentation of what's happening on the ground, akin to saying someone robbing a store was "jailed merely for getting food for dinner that night."
  - Sohcahtoa82 7mo ago
    Your comment carries some major "Oh you know the ones" vibes. https://x.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1050391663552671744?lang=en https://x.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1050391663552671744?lang... Conservative: I have been censored for my conservative views Me: Holy shit! You were censored for wanting lower taxes? Con: LOL no...no not those views Me: So....deregulation? Con: Haha no not those views either Me: Which views, exactly? Con: Oh, you know the ones
roughly 7mo ago
I mean it sounds like you live in the UK, which seems to be doing everything it can to depart civilized Europe
shimman 7mo ago
Weird, I wish I had universal healthcare and socialized housing.
maximinus_thrax 7mo ago
Yeah, we have so much free speech lately, it's starting to overflow into the negative https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/us-department-homeland-security-reportedly-223749355.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/us-department-homeland-s...

by robk 7mo ago

I live in a civilized European country and gravely miss the freedom of speech I had in the USA that I don't here. I'm terrified one tweet will get me jailed for 30 months.

seattle_spring 7mo ago

Considering the degree of "hate speech" a Tweet would have to contain to land someone in jail includes direct incitements of violence, I'm scared to ask what sort of opinion you'd like to share that you feel you legally cannot. The claim that you get thrown in jail in London "just for sharing your opinion" is a myth, unless your opinion is, "round up everyone of race X, put them in a hotel, and burn the hotel down."

juniperus 7mo ago
the amount of people arrested for online activity in England is not the best example to use if you're arguing that such events are rare. otherwise, your incredulity to such a belief is why the far-right continues to gain a constituency in Europe and elsewhere. so instead of dismissing the concern, which fuels the far-right, you could just acknowledge it is a real thing people are experiencing, and that it doesn't help a liberal free society to criminalize thoughts that are unsavory to the political elite.
- seattle_spring 7mo ago
  The "real thing people are experiencing" is posting unambiguous hate speech or calls for violence, and then getting in legal trouble for it. Calling it "online activity" or "just sharing their opinion online" is the actual blatant misrepresentation of what's happening on the ground, akin to saying someone robbing a store was "jailed merely for getting food for dinner that night."
- Sohcahtoa82 7mo ago
  Your comment carries some major "Oh you know the ones" vibes. https://x.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1050391663552671744?lang=en https://x.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1050391663552671744?lang... Conservative: I have been censored for my conservative views Me: Holy shit! You were censored for wanting lower taxes? Con: LOL no...no not those views Me: So....deregulation? Con: Haha no not those views either Me: Which views, exactly? Con: Oh, you know the ones

roughly 7mo ago

I mean it sounds like you live in the UK, which seems to be doing everything it can to depart civilized Europe

shimman 7mo ago

Weird, I wish I had universal healthcare and socialized housing.

maximinus_thrax 7mo ago

Yeah, we have so much free speech lately, it's starting to overflow into the negative https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/us-department-homeland-security-reportedly-223749355.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/us-department-homeland-s...