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this is why the second amendment exists

OutOfHere 7mo ago
A lot of good it did Alex Jeffrey Pretti, not. They have far bigger guns, more guns, and can track where you are at all times, picking you up when you're very vulnerable, like in the middle of traffic. The 2A helps only when a whole community were to get picked up all at once, which basically never happens. When individuals get picked up one at a time, it is in effect useless. Also, the state-specific interpretation of the 2A doesn't allow concealed carry of compact automatic weapons, and even if it did, it is basically a recipe for self annihilation because there are a lot more of them. Also, there is no way that the people will mass organize to fight ICE violently. This again is because ICE targets individuals, not entire communities.
- cornhole 7mo ago
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  - superbyte 7mo ago
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    - cornhole 7mo ago
      pot calling the kettle black with that snarky little comment of yours. why do you assume that I have not protested and voted in the same way you have? I have voted democrat in every election I could since I was 18. I participated in protests for occupy wall street and against Donald trump. where did that lead us? to this. something isn’t working. if these people come for my family, all bets are off. i don’t care if no one is coming to save me. no one will make me and my family leave. i will die in america.
      - freejazz 7mo ago
        > pot calling the kettle black with that snarky little comment of yours Well I saw what you wrote before it was flagged and the irony of this statement will be beyond anyone else reading this now.
        cornhole 7mo ago
        that’s life for you. do something, look stupid, get laughed at, shrug. i usually don’t care about the opinion of people on a computer nerd forum, but i felt the need to yell at them. I do realize it’s hypocritical of me to call them out for calling me out for making snarky comments, but the best part about being human is hypocrisy.
        freejazz 7mo ago
        Seems more like that thing where an asshole somehow thinks its everyone else in the world that's an asshole, but it has just really been them the entire time.
plagiarist 7mo ago
I sure wish the nation's 2A fandom would join the protests against masked troops flagrantly violating citizens' rights. One has to assume the mental calculus of whether or not to execute a citizen in the streets would change if the surrounding peaceful protesters are open carrying firearms. Unfortunately they will instead continue writing fan fiction about protecting their rights while they vote for team "take the guns first" yet again.
- metalcrow 7mo ago
  https://www.inquirer.com/news/black-pather-party-philadelphia-minnesota-shooting-20260110.html https://www.inquirer.com/news/black-pather-party-philadelphi...
happymellon 7mo ago
And one day it'll get used? I'm going to assume that second amendment is going to continue to be upheld by Republican supporters. And you'll have an NRA who look at people getting executed for possessing a weapon without drawing, and keep saying "this is fine". The hypocrisy with 2A supporters is palpable. They never supported 2A rights.
- nozzlegear 7mo ago
  I'm a liberal (e: as in democrat) supporter of the 2A. On the other hand, while I do not and have never supported the NRA, didn't they immediately call out the republican politicians and cabinet members who were trying to pin the blame on Pretti for lawfully exercising his 2A rights before he was killed?
  - happymellon 7mo ago
    > The NRA labelled a suggestion by a federal prosecutor that people who carry guns risk being lawfully shot by officers as "dangerous and wrong". > "Responsible public voices should be awaiting a full investigation, not making generalisations and demonising law-abiding citizens," the NRA said in a statement. I mean, I guess you could imply that? But considering they have held marches when there were rumours of Democrats restricting gun ownership, it is literally the least they could do. Where are are gun touting matches? Where are the stages with "from my cold dead hands" statements?
parsimo2010 7mo ago
A major consideration is that the state holds a monopoly on violence. A single person defending their citizenship with a gun might be morally right, but they will end up physically dead. And a few hundred foreign-born citizens with guns might make the news but will end up equally dead. Unless a HUGE portion of the country decides to take up arms at the same time, the second amendment isn't going to make the difference. As the administration's policies seems to be affecting individual groups one at a time, I doubt that enough people will be willing to lay down their lives over any single issue.
- mothballed 7mo ago
  Bundy is still grazing his cattle on that BLM land to this day.
thrance 7mo ago
I hope, in decades to come, that whenever the old and tired "2A protects us from tyranny" argument gets made, we can point back to the Trump years and simply reply "the guns were freaking useless, man".
- ottah 7mo ago
  You hope? I'm struggling to read this properly. You're not wanting the outcome to be tyranny, right?

A lot of good it did Alex Jeffrey Pretti, not. They have far bigger guns, more guns, and can track where you are at all times, picking you up when you're very vulnerable, like in the middle of traffic. The 2A helps only when a whole community were to get picked up all at once, which basically never happens. When individuals get picked up one at a time, it is in effect useless. Also, the state-specific interpretation of the 2A doesn't allow concealed carry of compact automatic weapons, and even if it did, it is basically a recipe for self annihilation because there are a lot more of them. Also, there is no way that the people will mass organize to fight ICE violently. This again is because ICE targets individuals, not entire communities.

cornhole 7mo ago
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- superbyte 7mo ago
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  - cornhole 7mo ago
    pot calling the kettle black with that snarky little comment of yours. why do you assume that I have not protested and voted in the same way you have? I have voted democrat in every election I could since I was 18. I participated in protests for occupy wall street and against Donald trump. where did that lead us? to this. something isn’t working. if these people come for my family, all bets are off. i don’t care if no one is coming to save me. no one will make me and my family leave. i will die in america.
    - freejazz 7mo ago
      > pot calling the kettle black with that snarky little comment of yours Well I saw what you wrote before it was flagged and the irony of this statement will be beyond anyone else reading this now.
      - cornhole 7mo ago
        that’s life for you. do something, look stupid, get laughed at, shrug. i usually don’t care about the opinion of people on a computer nerd forum, but i felt the need to yell at them. I do realize it’s hypocritical of me to call them out for calling me out for making snarky comments, but the best part about being human is hypocrisy.
        freejazz 7mo ago
        Seems more like that thing where an asshole somehow thinks its everyone else in the world that's an asshole, but it has just really been them the entire time.

plagiarist 7mo ago

I sure wish the nation's 2A fandom would join the protests against masked troops flagrantly violating citizens' rights. One has to assume the mental calculus of whether or not to execute a citizen in the streets would change if the surrounding peaceful protesters are open carrying firearms. Unfortunately they will instead continue writing fan fiction about protecting their rights while they vote for team "take the guns first" yet again.

metalcrow 7mo ago
https://www.inquirer.com/news/black-pather-party-philadelphia-minnesota-shooting-20260110.html https://www.inquirer.com/news/black-pather-party-philadelphi...

happymellon 7mo ago

And one day it'll get used? I'm going to assume that second amendment is going to continue to be upheld by Republican supporters. And you'll have an NRA who look at people getting executed for possessing a weapon without drawing, and keep saying "this is fine". The hypocrisy with 2A supporters is palpable. They never supported 2A rights.

nozzlegear 7mo ago
I'm a liberal (e: as in democrat) supporter of the 2A. On the other hand, while I do not and have never supported the NRA, didn't they immediately call out the republican politicians and cabinet members who were trying to pin the blame on Pretti for lawfully exercising his 2A rights before he was killed?
- happymellon 7mo ago
  > The NRA labelled a suggestion by a federal prosecutor that people who carry guns risk being lawfully shot by officers as "dangerous and wrong". > "Responsible public voices should be awaiting a full investigation, not making generalisations and demonising law-abiding citizens," the NRA said in a statement. I mean, I guess you could imply that? But considering they have held marches when there were rumours of Democrats restricting gun ownership, it is literally the least they could do. Where are are gun touting matches? Where are the stages with "from my cold dead hands" statements?

parsimo2010 7mo ago

A major consideration is that the state holds a monopoly on violence. A single person defending their citizenship with a gun might be morally right, but they will end up physically dead. And a few hundred foreign-born citizens with guns might make the news but will end up equally dead. Unless a HUGE portion of the country decides to take up arms at the same time, the second amendment isn't going to make the difference. As the administration's policies seems to be affecting individual groups one at a time, I doubt that enough people will be willing to lay down their lives over any single issue.

mothballed 7mo ago
Bundy is still grazing his cattle on that BLM land to this day.

thrance 7mo ago

I hope, in decades to come, that whenever the old and tired "2A protects us from tyranny" argument gets made, we can point back to the Trump years and simply reply "the guns were freaking useless, man".

ottah 7mo ago
You hope? I'm struggling to read this properly. You're not wanting the outcome to be tyranny, right?