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Railway is getting so good I'm not sure what Vercel brings to the party anyway.

js3642 7mo ago
While I used to think Railway was an amazing service, I had a production workload get broken because they removed a feature without any depreciation period or warning. I now struggle to recommend it for anything more than a hobby project. Vercel has the benifit of being big enough they have to do things properly. For reference https://station.railway.com/questions/smtp-connection-failures-e3c635ac https://station.railway.com/questions/smtp-connection-failur...
- dban 7mo ago
  SMTP is gated behind the $20/mo Pro plan to reduce spam on the internet. It sounds like you were running a production workload on the Hobby plan
  - throwaway290 7mo ago
    that's rich, from Railway employee. your company's mod in that thread said there was supposed to be no SMTP at all for any plan but it was enabled by a bug. then once you saw people were using it you decided to milk your bug via the most expensive payment plan. but that's your internal dealings. from your paying customers perspective, company had a change in the environment where something was working and now it's not. which could be even okay if it was a legit bug that was fixed, but what makes it worse is instead you said "just pay us 4x more and you get it back". for some users it probably just broke production, is there a more perfect time for blackmail right? don't try to paint it as altruistic attempt to reduce spam in the internet, this is sleazy af
- everfrustrated 7mo ago
  You were too cheap to pay $20/mth for the Pro plan... That says a lot more about you than Railway.
  - butvacuum 7mo ago
    theres also a ton of smtp-> mailservice proxies.0
suladead 7mo ago
And their CEO doesn't post selfies with war criminals
- nozzlegear 7mo ago
  OOTL, what is this a reference to?
  - bucklybuck 7mo ago
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vercel-ceo-takes-selfie-israel-182930862.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vercel-ceo-takes-selfie-israe...
  - input_sh 7mo ago
    His photo with a prime minister of a country with a famous arrest warrant in The Hague. You know, the same country whose former prime minister is this person: https://jmail.world/person/ehud-barak https://jmail.world/person/ehud-barak
cmdtab 7mo ago
I would stay away from any startup for production workload. Made the mistake. Never again. Fly, railway, render. Avoid. All have weird show stopper bugs for any reasonable scale and you will fight against the platform compared to using big cloud. And big cloud works better even in cases where PAAS is advertised as simpler (google cloud run and build is as easy to setup as railway but you have much more knobs to control traffic, routing, roll out etc)
- direwolf20 7mo ago
  Jmail is itself an experiment, that doesn't need to be production quality.

While I used to think Railway was an amazing service, I had a production workload get broken because they removed a feature without any depreciation period or warning. I now struggle to recommend it for anything more than a hobby project. Vercel has the benifit of being big enough they have to do things properly. For reference https://station.railway.com/questions/smtp-connection-failures-e3c635ac https://station.railway.com/questions/smtp-connection-failur...

dban 7mo ago
SMTP is gated behind the $20/mo Pro plan to reduce spam on the internet. It sounds like you were running a production workload on the Hobby plan
- throwaway290 7mo ago
  that's rich, from Railway employee. your company's mod in that thread said there was supposed to be no SMTP at all for any plan but it was enabled by a bug. then once you saw people were using it you decided to milk your bug via the most expensive payment plan. but that's your internal dealings. from your paying customers perspective, company had a change in the environment where something was working and now it's not. which could be even okay if it was a legit bug that was fixed, but what makes it worse is instead you said "just pay us 4x more and you get it back". for some users it probably just broke production, is there a more perfect time for blackmail right? don't try to paint it as altruistic attempt to reduce spam in the internet, this is sleazy af
everfrustrated 7mo ago
You were too cheap to pay $20/mth for the Pro plan... That says a lot more about you than Railway.
- butvacuum 7mo ago
  theres also a ton of smtp-> mailservice proxies.0

suladead 7mo ago

And their CEO doesn't post selfies with war criminals

nozzlegear 7mo ago
OOTL, what is this a reference to?
- bucklybuck 7mo ago
  https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vercel-ceo-takes-selfie-israel-182930862.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vercel-ceo-takes-selfie-israe...
- input_sh 7mo ago
  His photo with a prime minister of a country with a famous arrest warrant in The Hague. You know, the same country whose former prime minister is this person: https://jmail.world/person/ehud-barak https://jmail.world/person/ehud-barak

cmdtab 7mo ago

I would stay away from any startup for production workload. Made the mistake. Never again. Fly, railway, render. Avoid. All have weird show stopper bugs for any reasonable scale and you will fight against the platform compared to using big cloud. And big cloud works better even in cases where PAAS is advertised as simpler (google cloud run and build is as easy to setup as railway but you have much more knobs to control traffic, routing, roll out etc)

direwolf20 7mo ago
Jmail is itself an experiment, that doesn't need to be production quality.