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" Karpathy did not spend a serious effort of learning to get a good understanding of people This does not come from spending effort in learning people - its mo

by sdf2erf 7mo ago

" Karpathy did not spend a serious effort of learning to get a good understanding of people This does not come from spending effort in learning people - its more innate. You either have it or you dont. E.g. you cant learn to be 'empathetic'. It always boggles my mind when people dont consider genetic factors.

aleph_minus_one 7mo ago
Being empathic is different from "understanding people". Psychopaths and narcissists often have a good understanding of many people, which they use to manipulate them, but psychopaths and narcissists are not what most people would call "empathic".
- sdf2erf 7mo ago
  They dont understand people. They understand how to control people, which is completely different from the context of building products that people want - which requires an understanding of peoples tastes and preferences.
  - aleph_minus_one 7mo ago
    > which is completely different from the context of building products that people want - which requires an understanding of peoples tastes and preferences. Rather: it requires an understanding how to manipulate people into loving/wanting your product.
pluralmonad 7mo ago
You are what you do. If you want to develop your empathy, spend time/energy consciously trying to put yourself in the shoes of others. Eventually, you will not have to apply so much deliberate effort. Same way most things work.
bwfan123 7mo ago
> you cant learn to be 'empathetic'. I would tend to disagree. The tech types have a strong intellectual center, but weaker emotional and movement centers. I think a realignment is possible with practice. It takes time, and as one grows older, the centers begin to integrate better.
hnfong 7mo ago
There is the autistic spectrum, and there is understanding of people and psychology. Autistic people might have a hard time understanding people, but it's not like everyone else is magically super knowledgable about human psychology and other people's thought patterns. If that were the case, then any non-autistic person could be a psychologist, no fancy study or degrees required! Unless your point is to claim that Karpathy is autistic. I don't know whether that's really relevant though, the original issue was whether/how he failed to recognize the alleged hype.
autoexec 7mo ago
> you cant learn to be 'empathetic'. I know it was just an example, but there's research suggesting otherwise. There are things you can do to increase/decrease empathy in yourself and others. If you're curious, it might be worth looking into the subject.

by sdf2erf 7mo ago

aleph_minus_one 7mo ago

Being empathic is different from "understanding people". Psychopaths and narcissists often have a good understanding of many people, which they use to manipulate them, but psychopaths and narcissists are not what most people would call "empathic".

sdf2erf 7mo ago
They dont understand people. They understand how to control people, which is completely different from the context of building products that people want - which requires an understanding of peoples tastes and preferences.
- aleph_minus_one 7mo ago
  > which is completely different from the context of building products that people want - which requires an understanding of peoples tastes and preferences. Rather: it requires an understanding how to manipulate people into loving/wanting your product.

pluralmonad 7mo ago

You are what you do. If you want to develop your empathy, spend time/energy consciously trying to put yourself in the shoes of others. Eventually, you will not have to apply so much deliberate effort. Same way most things work.

bwfan123 7mo ago

> you cant learn to be 'empathetic'. I would tend to disagree. The tech types have a strong intellectual center, but weaker emotional and movement centers. I think a realignment is possible with practice. It takes time, and as one grows older, the centers begin to integrate better.

hnfong 7mo ago

There is the autistic spectrum, and there is understanding of people and psychology. Autistic people might have a hard time understanding people, but it's not like everyone else is magically super knowledgable about human psychology and other people's thought patterns. If that were the case, then any non-autistic person could be a psychologist, no fancy study or degrees required! Unless your point is to claim that Karpathy is autistic. I don't know whether that's really relevant though, the original issue was whether/how he failed to recognize the alleged hype.

autoexec 7mo ago

> you cant learn to be 'empathetic'. I know it was just an example, but there's research suggesting otherwise. There are things you can do to increase/decrease empathy in yourself and others. If you're curious, it might be worth looking into the subject.