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One has still yet to convince me of anything IRC has over XMPP.

by alt187 7mo ago

debo_ 7mo ago
Users?
opan 7mo ago
Waaaaaaay better clients (this is the big one), chat logs that are easier to search through with standard unix tools, avoids issues with OMEMO breaking (which stops people chatting at all, breaking the main usage of the program). Saying this as a regular user of both. I spend way more time on IRC and I enjoy irssi much more than Gajim, Dino, or Conversations. I do think XMPP has potential, though.
- grep_name 7mo ago
  Yeah I'm planning to send both matrix and xmpp through bitlbee so I can use a terminal client as well (I know matrix has one technically but it is reeeeally crufty). I don't understand why every modern chat client has to be 99% empty whitespace separated by squircles.
  - opan 7mo ago
    matrix.org used to feature weechat-matrix among the recommended clients, but last I looked it wasn't there anymore. Dead project, probably. A shame.
    - ptman 7mo ago
      There are other terminal clients.
    - grep_name 7mo ago
      I was going to use bitlbee, but it looks like matrix-purple lost e2ee support a couple years ago. That's really frustrating. I wonder how hard it would be to get it working again
      - Arathorn 7mo ago
        https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/Chatty/-/tree/main/src/matrix?ref_type=heads https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/Chatty/-/tree/main/src/matrix... might be able to help you?
Bender 7mo ago
One has still yet to convince me of anything IRC has over XMPP. I think you should be able to use whatever suits your needs and preferences. The key is removing friction for the potential users. Friction can be overcome by incentives e.g. what it is in for them to jump through a few hoops. As just one example the more totalitarian and risky that laws become the less that people will object to a little initial friction. This can also weed out lower quality members. IRC, XMPP, SSH, Self hosted forums, Radio Mesh ... bring it all!
coretx 7mo ago
Reslience

One has still yet to convince me of anything IRC has over XMPP.

by alt187 7mo ago

One has still yet to convince me of anything IRC has over XMPP.

debo_ 7mo ago

Users?

opan 7mo ago

Waaaaaaay better clients (this is the big one), chat logs that are easier to search through with standard unix tools, avoids issues with OMEMO breaking (which stops people chatting at all, breaking the main usage of the program). Saying this as a regular user of both. I spend way more time on IRC and I enjoy irssi much more than Gajim, Dino, or Conversations. I do think XMPP has potential, though.

grep_name 7mo ago
Yeah I'm planning to send both matrix and xmpp through bitlbee so I can use a terminal client as well (I know matrix has one technically but it is reeeeally crufty). I don't understand why every modern chat client has to be 99% empty whitespace separated by squircles.
- opan 7mo ago
  matrix.org used to feature weechat-matrix among the recommended clients, but last I looked it wasn't there anymore. Dead project, probably. A shame.
  - ptman 7mo ago
    There are other terminal clients.
  - grep_name 7mo ago
    I was going to use bitlbee, but it looks like matrix-purple lost e2ee support a couple years ago. That's really frustrating. I wonder how hard it would be to get it working again
    - Arathorn 7mo ago
      https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/Chatty/-/tree/main/src/matrix?ref_type=heads https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/Chatty/-/tree/main/src/matrix... might be able to help you?

Bender 7mo ago

One has still yet to convince me of anything IRC has over XMPP. I think you should be able to use whatever suits your needs and preferences. The key is removing friction for the potential users. Friction can be overcome by incentives e.g. what it is in for them to jump through a few hoops. As just one example the more totalitarian and risky that laws become the less that people will object to a little initial friction. This can also weed out lower quality members. IRC, XMPP, SSH, Self hosted forums, Radio Mesh ... bring it all!

coretx 7mo ago

Reslience