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Indian here. You are correct. Expecting any employed Indian software developer to not be able to spare 1$ is stupid. Like how exactly poor do you think we are?!

by Bayko 7mo ago

strken 7mo ago
I think the point was that if an aspirational minimum wage worker on a borrowed computer wants to put up a PR then it would cost them less than ten minutes of wages to afford $1USD in the US, while the same worker in India would need to put up about half a day's wages. This is very noble in theory, but in practice you're not going to get many high-quality PRs from someone who's never been paid to write software and has no financial support.
- johnnyanmac 7mo ago
  so we continue to make the rich richer and the broke students struggle more to get valuable experience. Very easy to point in 10-20 years under the coming "engineer crisis" why 'suddenly' can't support the systems we built.
Plasmoid 7mo ago
It's not that outrageous. Apparently, 90% of India is living on less than $10 per day (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-living-with-less-than-10-int--per-day https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-living-with-less-th...)
- csomar 7mo ago
  I suspect most of these people are not software engineers with a computer?
Fnoord 7mo ago
You misunderstood the point. The point isn't that you are poor. The point is that the burden of the money lies on average heavier on you than someone from USA. This creates an uneven playing field. I like to compare it with donations. If you get a USD donated, that is the same USD regardless of who gave it. Right? Right?!? Either way you don't know how heavy the burden is on the person who donated. You probably don't care. But it matters to the person who donated.
- sdenton4 7mo ago
  Why let the perfect be the enemy of the good? A $1 fee is fine for Indian software developers and it kills the spam. If it's a greater burden for people in India than the US, well, not all solutions are perfect, but some are useful.
  - Fnoord 7mo ago
    Because it discriminates a marginalized group which is by tradition very important to the FOSS community: students Also, no it wouldn't kill spam. The spam would be moved to pwned machines where the owner would suddenly have an incentive (financial) to fix the system, if they know. What remains is people who would be so rich that $1 means nothing to them. Ie. white collar criminals who are already rich enough to not care.
johnnyanmac 7mo ago
>Like how exactly poor do you think we are?! I get laid off and suddenly I'm poor and am weighing optins. And I'm American.
balgg 7mo ago
So only employed software developers are allowed to make PRs?

Indian here. You are correct. Expecting any employed Indian software developer to not be able to spare 1$ is stupid. Like how exactly poor do you think we are?!

by Bayko 7mo ago

Indian here. You are correct. Expecting any employed Indian software developer to not be able to spare 1$ is stupid. Like how exactly poor do you think we are?!

strken 7mo ago

I think the point was that if an aspirational minimum wage worker on a borrowed computer wants to put up a PR then it would cost them less than ten minutes of wages to afford $1USD in the US, while the same worker in India would need to put up about half a day's wages. This is very noble in theory, but in practice you're not going to get many high-quality PRs from someone who's never been paid to write software and has no financial support.

johnnyanmac 7mo ago
so we continue to make the rich richer and the broke students struggle more to get valuable experience. Very easy to point in 10-20 years under the coming "engineer crisis" why 'suddenly' can't support the systems we built.

Plasmoid 7mo ago

It's not that outrageous. Apparently, 90% of India is living on less than $10 per day (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-living-with-less-than-10-int--per-day https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-living-with-less-th...)

csomar 7mo ago
I suspect most of these people are not software engineers with a computer?

Fnoord 7mo ago

You misunderstood the point. The point isn't that you are poor. The point is that the burden of the money lies on average heavier on you than someone from USA. This creates an uneven playing field. I like to compare it with donations. If you get a USD donated, that is the same USD regardless of who gave it. Right? Right?!? Either way you don't know how heavy the burden is on the person who donated. You probably don't care. But it matters to the person who donated.

sdenton4 7mo ago
Why let the perfect be the enemy of the good? A $1 fee is fine for Indian software developers and it kills the spam. If it's a greater burden for people in India than the US, well, not all solutions are perfect, but some are useful.
- Fnoord 7mo ago
  Because it discriminates a marginalized group which is by tradition very important to the FOSS community: students Also, no it wouldn't kill spam. The spam would be moved to pwned machines where the owner would suddenly have an incentive (financial) to fix the system, if they know. What remains is people who would be so rich that $1 means nothing to them. Ie. white collar criminals who are already rich enough to not care.

johnnyanmac 7mo ago

>Like how exactly poor do you think we are?! I get laid off and suddenly I'm poor and am weighing optins. And I'm American.

balgg 7mo ago

So only employed software developers are allowed to make PRs?