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Yes, most people don’t drive 200 mi/day. It’s really ok.

by mperham 7mo ago

throwaway894345 7mo ago
Why do you imagine that average miles per day matters? I don’t drive anywhere near 200 miles/day, but any time I have to drive across the state (or farther) in the winter I have to recharge a lot more frequently, and the charging stations are busier and fewer in number (usually more are out of service in the winter either because the snow has drifted over them or because the cable was left in the snow and is now frozen over or a plow damaged the unit). Worse still, if you don’t have a charging cable in your parking space, you will have to drive to a charging station much more frequently (because the idle battery usage is much higher). But yeah, if you have a garage with a charger and you never exceed your winter range then it’s fine, per my previous comment.
- toomuchtodo 7mo ago
  More than 60 million Americans own a home with a garage (where a charger can be installed) and most are within 100 miles of a fast DC charger. Edge cases continue to shrink and be solved for, electricity is ubiquitous and batteries keep improving rapidly.
  - extra88 7mo ago
    I think proportion is more useful that quantity. 66% of housing units (that's all forms of housing, not just single-family homes) have a garage or carport. Also, given that there are ~145 million housing units, 60 million would be a bad situation. > most are within 100 miles of a fast DC charger That's not good enough. No one can spend 3-4 hours to drive 200 miles round trip, or even 100 miles, to charge quickly. There needs to be a good solution for the 33% of households that don't have access to EV charging as part of their home. Until it becomes really plentiful, part of the solution may involve fast charging that only the 33% can use or that favors the 33%; people who can charge overnight at home should charge overnight at home. https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1268-december-12-2022-2021-two-thirds-us-housing-units-had-garage-or https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1268-dece...
    - rootusrootus 7mo ago
      > That's not good enough. Agreed. However, the number of people who live 100+ miles from a fast charger rounds to zero. Something like 85-90% of the US population lives within a metro area, and even in the least "EV friendly" states probably has a fast charger within 10-20 miles at most.
      - NetMageSCW 7mo ago
        Nope - try again.
        rootusrootus 7mo ago
        I can back up my assertions with data, can you?
    - toomuchtodo 7mo ago
      Fast chargers colocated at grocery stores people shop at at least weekly are a solution, Tesla did this (Meijer partnership), as did Electrify America. Walmart is rolling out charging at most of their US stores. Home charging is a solution, but so is workplace level 2 charging. Can you charge at home? Do so. Can you charge at work? Do so. Can you charge at a grocery store or other location your task will take longer than the charging? Do so. This works for most Americans, while charging infrastructure continues to be rapidly deployed. The gaps will be filled, how fast is a function of will and investment. US Gains 11,300 Ultra-Fast Chargers in Bet to Lure More EV Drivers - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46815932 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46815932 - January 2026 (11 comments) https://hn.algolia.com/?q=walmart+ev https://hn.algolia.com/?q=walmart+ev https://supercharge.info/map https://supercharge.info/map https://www.plugshare.com/ https://www.plugshare.com/
      - extra88 7mo ago
        Chargers at grocery stores and other places of public accommodation that have lots of parking and customers who stay a while are good options. I don't know how many are enough; even fast chargers take orders of magnitude longer to use than a gas pump.
  - throwaway894345 7mo ago
    Yes, things are rapidly improving. My claim was that cold weather is a pain today. Also “living within 100 miles of a fast charger” is small comfort to those who don’t have a convenient way to charge at home. For the record, I’ve been an EV owner for 5 years in the northern US. I still like my EV and things get better all the time, but I don’t understand the people in this thread saying that cold weather battery performance is fine.
    - toomuchtodo 7mo ago
      My argument is more charging infrastructure and sodium ion chemistries should solve this relatively soon, and both are on arguably steep trajectories. My 2018 Model S 100kw has decent cold weather performance even cold soaked after 8 years of ownership with resistive heat for both the cabin and battery pack (glycol heater), I expect state of the art to keep getting better. I used to keep a 100ft 120V heavy duty extension cord in the frunk to charge due to how few charging options there were in 2018, and no longer have to (having driven across most of the continental US). If an EV is not feasible today due to limited charging options, certainly, procure a hybrid until battery chemistry and charging infrastructure improves in your area. I admit cold weather performance might be hard for some, but Norway has achieved 99% BEV monthly sales, so it can be done. It’s just a matter of where you are on the global adoption curve. https://robbieandrew.github.io/EV/ https://robbieandrew.github.io/EV/
      - throwaway894345 7mo ago
        I agree with all of this; my response was narrowly to the claim that the status quo was fine.

Yes, most people don’t drive 200 mi/day. It’s really ok.

by mperham 7mo ago

Yes, most people don’t drive 200 mi/day. It’s really ok.

Why do you imagine that average miles per day matters? I don’t drive anywhere near 200 miles/day, but any time I have to drive across the state (or farther) in the winter I have to recharge a lot more frequently, and the charging stations are busier and fewer in number (usually more are out of service in the winter either because the snow has drifted over them or because the cable was left in the snow and is now frozen over or a plow damaged the unit). Worse still, if you don’t have a charging cable in your parking space, you will have to drive to a charging station much more frequently (because the idle battery usage is much higher). But yeah, if you have a garage with a charger and you never exceed your winter range then it’s fine, per my previous comment.

toomuchtodo 7mo ago
More than 60 million Americans own a home with a garage (where a charger can be installed) and most are within 100 miles of a fast DC charger. Edge cases continue to shrink and be solved for, electricity is ubiquitous and batteries keep improving rapidly.
- extra88 7mo ago
  I think proportion is more useful that quantity. 66% of housing units (that's all forms of housing, not just single-family homes) have a garage or carport. Also, given that there are ~145 million housing units, 60 million would be a bad situation. > most are within 100 miles of a fast DC charger That's not good enough. No one can spend 3-4 hours to drive 200 miles round trip, or even 100 miles, to charge quickly. There needs to be a good solution for the 33% of households that don't have access to EV charging as part of their home. Until it becomes really plentiful, part of the solution may involve fast charging that only the 33% can use or that favors the 33%; people who can charge overnight at home should charge overnight at home. https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1268-december-12-2022-2021-two-thirds-us-housing-units-had-garage-or https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1268-dece...
  - rootusrootus 7mo ago
    > That's not good enough. Agreed. However, the number of people who live 100+ miles from a fast charger rounds to zero. Something like 85-90% of the US population lives within a metro area, and even in the least "EV friendly" states probably has a fast charger within 10-20 miles at most.
    - NetMageSCW 7mo ago
      Nope - try again.
      - rootusrootus 7mo ago
        I can back up my assertions with data, can you?
  - toomuchtodo 7mo ago
    Fast chargers colocated at grocery stores people shop at at least weekly are a solution, Tesla did this (Meijer partnership), as did Electrify America. Walmart is rolling out charging at most of their US stores. Home charging is a solution, but so is workplace level 2 charging. Can you charge at home? Do so. Can you charge at work? Do so. Can you charge at a grocery store or other location your task will take longer than the charging? Do so. This works for most Americans, while charging infrastructure continues to be rapidly deployed. The gaps will be filled, how fast is a function of will and investment. US Gains 11,300 Ultra-Fast Chargers in Bet to Lure More EV Drivers - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46815932 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46815932 - January 2026 (11 comments) https://hn.algolia.com/?q=walmart+ev https://hn.algolia.com/?q=walmart+ev https://supercharge.info/map https://supercharge.info/map https://www.plugshare.com/ https://www.plugshare.com/
    - extra88 7mo ago
      Chargers at grocery stores and other places of public accommodation that have lots of parking and customers who stay a while are good options. I don't know how many are enough; even fast chargers take orders of magnitude longer to use than a gas pump.
- throwaway894345 7mo ago
  Yes, things are rapidly improving. My claim was that cold weather is a pain today. Also “living within 100 miles of a fast charger” is small comfort to those who don’t have a convenient way to charge at home. For the record, I’ve been an EV owner for 5 years in the northern US. I still like my EV and things get better all the time, but I don’t understand the people in this thread saying that cold weather battery performance is fine.
  - toomuchtodo 7mo ago
    My argument is more charging infrastructure and sodium ion chemistries should solve this relatively soon, and both are on arguably steep trajectories. My 2018 Model S 100kw has decent cold weather performance even cold soaked after 8 years of ownership with resistive heat for both the cabin and battery pack (glycol heater), I expect state of the art to keep getting better. I used to keep a 100ft 120V heavy duty extension cord in the frunk to charge due to how few charging options there were in 2018, and no longer have to (having driven across most of the continental US). If an EV is not feasible today due to limited charging options, certainly, procure a hybrid until battery chemistry and charging infrastructure improves in your area. I admit cold weather performance might be hard for some, but Norway has achieved 99% BEV monthly sales, so it can be done. It’s just a matter of where you are on the global adoption curve. https://robbieandrew.github.io/EV/ https://robbieandrew.github.io/EV/
    - throwaway894345 7mo ago
      I agree with all of this; my response was narrowly to the claim that the status quo was fine.