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“I assumed Republicans would be for this: business, deregulation” When are we going to stop talking about Republicans like they are still neocons? Republicans

by csto12 8mo ago

“I assumed Republicans would be for this: business, deregulation” When are we going to stop talking about Republicans like they are still neocons? Republicans haven’t been the pro big-business party in 10 years (did we forget about the tariffs, trade wars, etc that have happened in the last year alone?)

palmotea 8mo ago
> When are we going to stop talking about Republicans like they are still neocons? Republicans haven’t been the pro big-business party in 10 years (did we forget about the tariffs, trade wars, etc that have happened in the last year alone?) Because they're still schizophrenic about that. It's not an either/or thing. Trump likes tariffs, and a protectionist strain has appeared in the Republican party, but the pro big-business/small government stuff is there, just not so monolithically dominant.
Der_Einzige 8mo ago
Which party do the mega rich vote for? It's primarily not democrats, and especially not the anti-isreal/progressive 40-45% of the democratic party. Rich people love trumps protectionism and MAGA. Neocons and paternal autocrats, but I repeat myself.
- riddlemethat 8mo ago
  https://theweek.com/politics/us-election-who-the-billionaires-are-backing https://theweek.com/politics/us-election-who-the-billionaire...
  - Der_Einzige 8mo ago
    "the majority of mega-donors back the Republicans and Donald Trump" - direct quote from your article.
post_break 8mo ago
NIMBY over rules stuff like that. It's like pemdas, NIMBY is #1.
Spooky23 8mo ago
The problem with Republicans is that the core public platform is pure identity nonsense. The people voting for them are voting for that stuff and usually don’t understand their own interests. Nowhere is this more obvious than in the country. GOP policy blew up farming in the 80s, but doubling down on stupid culture war shit in the 90s flipped the farmers. The democratic parties concluded the juice of a contested small voter base wasnt worth the squeeze. The same rug pull is in play here. Lots of Catholics are on the MAGA train because of their supposed deep convictions. The anti-immigrant Cuban and Mexicans will be the first to hit the “find out” phase.
- Der_Einzige 8mo ago
  After I saw over 50% of latino men and close to that of latino women voting for Trump suddenly the idea of English becoming the national language is very attractive to me. You want assimilation with our neo-con hellhole? Earn it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English-only_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English-only_movement
  - analognoise 8mo ago
    Trump is now -30 with Latinos. This is generational damage for anyone (R), and we’re only a year in. They’re losing elections in Trump +17 districts. Never interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake.
    - Der_Einzige 8mo ago
      I'm willing to bet at least 1000 USD that a sufficiently trumpian republican in 2028 will be able to get near or even more latino votes than trump did. They LOVE the cruelty. The people who hate immigrants most are other immigrants. Brazil didn't end slavery until 1888 and it continued de-facto far longer than it did in the USA. Spain/Portugal were far more cruel/racist than the English and especially french were. Their history is one of extreme, virulent racism. Even today, they make huge distinctions between the "European" white mexicans who are "untainted" by indigenous blood. Latinos also are extremely anti-LGBT, and used to be catholic but are having their own evangelization sweeping through their communities (I am personally witnessing it right now). That evangelization is primary in reaction to the precieved liberalism of the current and previous pope.
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js8 8mo ago
There is a difference between neoconservatives and neoliberals. You probably meant the latter, but Republican party was never neoliberal only, it also is, as you write, neoconservative. It's not really surprising as conservativism and liberalism are both main pillars of capitalism, because the idea of property is based both on authority (like authority, you get the property ostensibly based on your past performance and you keep it indefinitely) and liberty (you can do what you want with it).

by csto12 8mo ago

palmotea 8mo ago

> When are we going to stop talking about Republicans like they are still neocons? Republicans haven’t been the pro big-business party in 10 years (did we forget about the tariffs, trade wars, etc that have happened in the last year alone?) Because they're still schizophrenic about that. It's not an either/or thing. Trump likes tariffs, and a protectionist strain has appeared in the Republican party, but the pro big-business/small government stuff is there, just not so monolithically dominant.

Der_Einzige 8mo ago

Which party do the mega rich vote for? It's primarily not democrats, and especially not the anti-isreal/progressive 40-45% of the democratic party. Rich people love trumps protectionism and MAGA. Neocons and paternal autocrats, but I repeat myself.

riddlemethat 8mo ago
https://theweek.com/politics/us-election-who-the-billionaires-are-backing https://theweek.com/politics/us-election-who-the-billionaire...
- Der_Einzige 8mo ago
  "the majority of mega-donors back the Republicans and Donald Trump" - direct quote from your article.

post_break 8mo ago

NIMBY over rules stuff like that. It's like pemdas, NIMBY is #1.

Spooky23 8mo ago

The problem with Republicans is that the core public platform is pure identity nonsense. The people voting for them are voting for that stuff and usually don’t understand their own interests. Nowhere is this more obvious than in the country. GOP policy blew up farming in the 80s, but doubling down on stupid culture war shit in the 90s flipped the farmers. The democratic parties concluded the juice of a contested small voter base wasnt worth the squeeze. The same rug pull is in play here. Lots of Catholics are on the MAGA train because of their supposed deep convictions. The anti-immigrant Cuban and Mexicans will be the first to hit the “find out” phase.

Der_Einzige 8mo ago
After I saw over 50% of latino men and close to that of latino women voting for Trump suddenly the idea of English becoming the national language is very attractive to me. You want assimilation with our neo-con hellhole? Earn it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English-only_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English-only_movement
- analognoise 8mo ago
  Trump is now -30 with Latinos. This is generational damage for anyone (R), and we’re only a year in. They’re losing elections in Trump +17 districts. Never interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake.
  - Der_Einzige 8mo ago
    I'm willing to bet at least 1000 USD that a sufficiently trumpian republican in 2028 will be able to get near or even more latino votes than trump did. They LOVE the cruelty. The people who hate immigrants most are other immigrants. Brazil didn't end slavery until 1888 and it continued de-facto far longer than it did in the USA. Spain/Portugal were far more cruel/racist than the English and especially french were. Their history is one of extreme, virulent racism. Even today, they make huge distinctions between the "European" white mexicans who are "untainted" by indigenous blood. Latinos also are extremely anti-LGBT, and used to be catholic but are having their own evangelization sweeping through their communities (I am personally witnessing it right now). That evangelization is primary in reaction to the precieved liberalism of the current and previous pope.

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js8 8mo ago

There is a difference between neoconservatives and neoliberals. You probably meant the latter, but Republican party was never neoliberal only, it also is, as you write, neoconservative. It's not really surprising as conservativism and liberalism are both main pillars of capitalism, because the idea of property is based both on authority (like authority, you get the property ostensibly based on your past performance and you keep it indefinitely) and liberty (you can do what you want with it).