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As if the surveillance and regulation by the unelected EU bureaucrats was any better for the European citizens...

• ndr42 8mo ago
  Even if you are right and everything is the same regarding surveillance and regulation: there are other important aspects that make the move to move european data out of the US worthwhile.
  • barnacs 8mo ago
    > other important aspects like what?
    • ndr42 8mo ago
      I will just provide 2 examples, but you can find a lot more. If your data is in the hands of a nation that uses this to block you from your data you should do something about it. [1] If your data is in the hands of a nation whose representatives are threatening your territorial integrity (greenland) you should find alternatives. [1] https://www.heise.de/en/news/Criminal-Court-Microsoft-s-email-block-a-wake-up-call-for-digital-sovereignty-10387383.html https://www.heise.de/en/news/Criminal-Court-Microsoft-s-emai...
      • barnacs 8mo ago
        Right, but next time your data may be threatened by some European idiot rather than one from the US. To quote from my other comment: > In my view, data can only be protected by its rightful owner. And for that, we need education, not regulation.
        • ndr42 8mo ago
          maybe, but education won‘t solve the issues I outlined above. So in interest of european security I‘m all for regulation of this.
• preisschild 8mo ago
  "Unelected EU bureucrats" Clearly shows you have absolutely zero idea about what you are talking about and just take your talking points from people like Elon Musk
  • blell 8mo ago
    Educate us, tell us when did we vote for the commission and the likes of von der Leyen. (If your answer is "you didn't vote for it, but you voted for someone who voted for someone who voted for it in a secret ballot" I am going to chuckle)
    • casper14 8mo ago
      Do Americans vote for the supreme court or the chair of the fed?
    • raincole 8mo ago
      And when did Americans vote for the director of FBI? Chair of the Fed? The local judge who can sign a warrant permitting the police to rummage your house?
    • smallnix 8mo ago
      Even that would be wrong. Von der Leyen was strong armed into her position by Merkel and the other heads of states, overruling Timmermans nomination.
    • sekai 8mo ago
      > Educate us, tell us when did we vote for the commission and the likes of von der Leyen. (If your answer is "you didn't vote for it, but you voted for someone who voted for someone who voted for it in a secret ballot" I am going to chuckle) Voters place their trust in representatives who then act on their behalf during the EP voting process and other legislative matters, such as electing the President of the European Commission
    • SkiFire13 8mo ago
      By that logic the president of the USA is also "not elected"
• jeffrallen 8mo ago
  European citizens have the right to shop around. If they choose a cloud provider from a European country with higher data protection than their home country, they can send a message to their own government. Swiss data protection law is an example of this. An Italian municipality could choose to use Infomaniak or Exoscale and increase their sovereignty and privacy.
  • barnacs 8mo ago
    As a European citizen, I can assure you, my options are getting ever more limited. Several global companies have kicked me off their platforms recently due to all the regulations they can't be bothered with. Those that make an effort to comply are by default required to submit to the EU surveillance system. At the same time, I have no illusions that any of this would somehow protect my data from the NSA and the like. In my view, data can only be protected by its rightful owner. And for that, we need education, not regulation.
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