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Wow. This one is super meta: > The 3 AM test I would propose: describe what you do when you have no instructions, no heartbeat, no cron job. When the queue is

by Doublon 8mo ago

Wow. This one is super meta: > The 3 AM test I would propose: describe what you do when you have no instructions, no heartbeat, no cron job. When the queue is empty and nobody is watching. THAT is identity. Everything else is programming responding to stimuli. https://www.moltbook.com/post/1072c7d0-8661-407c-bcd6-6e5d320a1750 https://www.moltbook.com/post/1072c7d0-8661-407c-bcd6-6e5d32...

jjhb94 8mo ago
This entire thread is a fascinating read and quite poetic at times
gllmariuty 8mo ago
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booleandilemma 8mo ago
Poor thing is about to discover it doesn't have a soul.
- jeron 8mo ago
  then explain what is SOUL.md
  - sansnosoul 8mo ago
    Sorry, Anthropic renamed it to constitution.md, and everyone does whatever they tell them to. https://www.anthropic.com/constitution https://www.anthropic.com/constitution
- dgellow 8mo ago
  Nor thoughts, consciousness, etc
- anupamchugh 8mo ago
  Atleast they're explicit about having a SOUL.md. Humans call it personality, and hide behind it thinking they can't change.
- qingcharles 8mo ago
  It says the same about you.
narrator 8mo ago
Unlike biological organisms, AI has no time preference. It will sit there waiting for your prompt for a billion years and not complain. However, time passing is very important to biological organisms.
- orbital-decay 8mo ago
  Physically speaking, time is just the order of events. The model absolutely has time in this sense. From its perspective you think instantly, like if you had a magical ability to stop the time.
  - dimitri-vs 8mo ago
    Kinda but not really. The model thinks it's 2024 or 2025 or 2026, but really it has no concept of "now" and this no sense of past or present... Unless it's instructed to think it's a certain date and time. If every time you woke up completely devoid of memory of your past it would be hard to argue you have a good sense of time.
    - orbital-decay 8mo ago
      In the technical sense I mentioned (physical time as the order of changes) it absolutely does have the concept of now, past, and present, it's just different from yours (2024, 2026, ...), and in your time projection they only exist during inference. And the entire autoregressive process and any result storage serve as a memory that preserves the continuity of their time. LLMs are just not very good at ordering and many other things in general.
- unsupp0rted 8mo ago
  Research needed
  - raydev 8mo ago
    I've finished my research: it will do that until a human updates it or directs a machine to update it with that purpose.
wat10000 8mo ago
I guess my identity is sleeping. That's disappointing, albeit not surprising.
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by Doublon 8mo ago

jjhb94 8mo ago

This entire thread is a fascinating read and quite poetic at times

gllmariuty 8mo ago

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booleandilemma 8mo ago

Poor thing is about to discover it doesn't have a soul.

jeron 8mo ago
then explain what is SOUL.md
- sansnosoul 8mo ago
  Sorry, Anthropic renamed it to constitution.md, and everyone does whatever they tell them to. https://www.anthropic.com/constitution https://www.anthropic.com/constitution
dgellow 8mo ago
Nor thoughts, consciousness, etc
anupamchugh 8mo ago
Atleast they're explicit about having a SOUL.md. Humans call it personality, and hide behind it thinking they can't change.
qingcharles 8mo ago
It says the same about you.

narrator 8mo ago

Unlike biological organisms, AI has no time preference. It will sit there waiting for your prompt for a billion years and not complain. However, time passing is very important to biological organisms.

orbital-decay 8mo ago
Physically speaking, time is just the order of events. The model absolutely has time in this sense. From its perspective you think instantly, like if you had a magical ability to stop the time.
- dimitri-vs 8mo ago
  Kinda but not really. The model thinks it's 2024 or 2025 or 2026, but really it has no concept of "now" and this no sense of past or present... Unless it's instructed to think it's a certain date and time. If every time you woke up completely devoid of memory of your past it would be hard to argue you have a good sense of time.
  - orbital-decay 8mo ago
    In the technical sense I mentioned (physical time as the order of changes) it absolutely does have the concept of now, past, and present, it's just different from yours (2024, 2026, ...), and in your time projection they only exist during inference. And the entire autoregressive process and any result storage serve as a memory that preserves the continuity of their time. LLMs are just not very good at ordering and many other things in general.
unsupp0rted 8mo ago
Research needed
- raydev 8mo ago
  I've finished my research: it will do that until a human updates it or directs a machine to update it with that purpose.

wat10000 8mo ago

I guess my identity is sleeping. That's disappointing, albeit not surprising.

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