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> Because if it were actual fascism, like the Hitler/Mussolini kind, you'd be arrest/dead the moment you spoke anything against it. It looks like you have para

> Because if it were actual fascism, like the Hitler/Mussolini kind, you'd be arrest/dead the moment you spoke anything against it. It looks like you have paramilitaries roaming your streets - not wearing ID or proper uniforms, covering their faces to avoid identification, not answering to usual democratic controls - executing protestors. In the latest incident, they seemed to be beating and spraying a woman with a chemical agent for filming them, and then executing a bystander who tried to help her. The regime then tried to deny reality and falsely claim that they'd attacked said paramilitary operatives. In any Western democracy (and I'm not sure if the US is currently part of that category) there would be a public investigation, but they seem to have been squirrelled away and the politicians who have spoken out about it have been threatened. This all seems to be fascistic by any reasonable standard.

joe_mamba 8mo ago
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- chimprich 8mo ago
  > Really? That's why they have vests that say "POLICE FEDERAL AGENT" front and back ? The paramilitaries that executed Pretti are all wearing street clothing, and all wearing different clothing. They look like a mob. > Dangerous people that could identify their faces and kill their families in retaliation. Well that's convenient, because it also allows them to kill protestors or their families without any consequence. > Why are the protesters assaulting them covering their faces Pretti didn't assault them, and wasn't covering his face. He got executed anyway.
  - joe_mamba 8mo ago
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    - chimprich 8mo ago
      > On top of which they have matching ICE issued vest with inscriptions. It's a fascist theme to have paramilitaries not wearing uniforms. See for example the mukhabarat in Syria. It makes them more intimidating, because they look undisciplined, and adds confusion to protestors as to whether they are dealing with someone who is part of the legal system. Why on earth would they not be issued with uniforms? > Yes, accidents like this will happen when you shove law enforcement officers with a gun on you. Pretti did not shove any "law enforcement officers". The first physical contact is a shove on Pretti by one of them. BBC did a frame by frame analysis: the first shove happens at approx 1:00 in this video. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l0057wmt/bbc-verify-analyses-the-minneapolis-shooting-frame-by-frame https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l0057wmt/bbc-verify-an... If you disagree, please provide a source. The first time they seem to be aware that he has a firearm is when they disarm him, and the execution happens after that, so I don't see how that is relevant.
      - joe_mamba 8mo ago
        >they disarm him, and the execution happens after that, You're leaving the part out where a gunshot is heard right before they "execute" him. The officers with their fingers on the trigger pointed at him during detainment, got scared of that gunshot and jumped on the trigger by accident. It's an unfortunate accident but not an execution. Read up the legal definition of execution. This is not it.
        saubeidl 8mo ago
        He was shot eleven times to the back of his head.
        joe_mamba 8mo ago
        >eleven times to the back of his head Please stop making up stuff.
        saubeidl 8mo ago
        https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/01/24/us/minneapolis-shooting-alex-pretti-timeline.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/01/24/us/minneapoli... Feel free to look at the timeline here.
    - gambiting 8mo ago
      >>There's etiquette when dealing with police that people seem to have forgotten. You are literally insane if you think this is a matter of "etiquette" or that it was an accident. Essex police haven't fired a single bullet in the last 10 years, and they are able to provide effective policing anyway. But in US a bunch of gestapo officers have a man pinned to the ground, with his gun taken away, and then they shoot him? At least the real gestapo had the decency to ask you to stand against the wall looking away before they executed you. As I asked you in another comment - do you want to live in a Judge Dredd universe where officers can just execute someone like this? And I repeat, it's not an accident. If it was, they would have shot him once.
      - joe_mamba 8mo ago
        >Essex police haven't fired a single bullet in the last 10 years, and they are able to provide effective policing anyway. Only if you misreport crime, ignore grooming gangs and arrest people for Tweets as "effective policing" in the UK. >And I repeat, it's not an accident. If it was, they would have shot him once. Police are trained to always fire multiple shots, as learned from firefight reports, people are left in capacity to fire back even when they have several rounds in them.
        filoeleven 8mo ago
        > people are left in capacity to fire back even when they have several rounds in them. And when there are 8 people on top of them, they're facedown on the ground, their hands are stuck in front of their face with no way to get at the waistband in which they had a legally concealed firearm, which one ICE officer removes while another waits for him to be out of the way before another executes them?
        joe_mamba 8mo ago
        You're assuming officers have the time to rationalize all this thought process in the split second when another officer shouts "GUN!" and then one starts shooting leading to everyone shooting out of inertia. People got shot from police mistakes like these all the time. It's an accident, a bad one, but not an execution, as everyone on the left calls it.
    - filoeleven 8mo ago
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      - joe_mamba 8mo ago
        >Fuck off. Thanks, good to see great mental clarity and debate skills. > includes "following unlawful orders." Except the judge decides if the order was unlawful, not you. You don't get to decide on the spot that the order you received was unlawful and can just resist arrest if you feel like it. You cooperate with the orders, and then your lawyer will seek justice and compensation on your behalf is the way the officer handled himself was unlawful. That's the way it works.
gadders 8mo ago
>>covering their faces to avoid identification Covering their faces to avoid doxing and being attacked at their homes.
- NekkoDroid 8mo ago
  Weird how normal police (or almost any other actual LEO) doesn't have to do this, especially considering how bad their reputation in the US is.
  - joe_mamba 8mo ago
    SWAT also covers their face.

joe_mamba 8mo ago

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chimprich 8mo ago
> Really? That's why they have vests that say "POLICE FEDERAL AGENT" front and back ? The paramilitaries that executed Pretti are all wearing street clothing, and all wearing different clothing. They look like a mob. > Dangerous people that could identify their faces and kill their families in retaliation. Well that's convenient, because it also allows them to kill protestors or their families without any consequence. > Why are the protesters assaulting them covering their faces Pretti didn't assault them, and wasn't covering his face. He got executed anyway.
- joe_mamba 8mo ago
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  - chimprich 8mo ago
    > On top of which they have matching ICE issued vest with inscriptions. It's a fascist theme to have paramilitaries not wearing uniforms. See for example the mukhabarat in Syria. It makes them more intimidating, because they look undisciplined, and adds confusion to protestors as to whether they are dealing with someone who is part of the legal system. Why on earth would they not be issued with uniforms? > Yes, accidents like this will happen when you shove law enforcement officers with a gun on you. Pretti did not shove any "law enforcement officers". The first physical contact is a shove on Pretti by one of them. BBC did a frame by frame analysis: the first shove happens at approx 1:00 in this video. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l0057wmt/bbc-verify-analyses-the-minneapolis-shooting-frame-by-frame https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l0057wmt/bbc-verify-an... If you disagree, please provide a source. The first time they seem to be aware that he has a firearm is when they disarm him, and the execution happens after that, so I don't see how that is relevant.
    - joe_mamba 8mo ago
      >they disarm him, and the execution happens after that, You're leaving the part out where a gunshot is heard right before they "execute" him. The officers with their fingers on the trigger pointed at him during detainment, got scared of that gunshot and jumped on the trigger by accident. It's an unfortunate accident but not an execution. Read up the legal definition of execution. This is not it.
      - saubeidl 8mo ago
        He was shot eleven times to the back of his head.
        joe_mamba 8mo ago
        >eleven times to the back of his head Please stop making up stuff.
        saubeidl 8mo ago
        https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/01/24/us/minneapolis-shooting-alex-pretti-timeline.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/01/24/us/minneapoli... Feel free to look at the timeline here.
  - gambiting 8mo ago
    >>There's etiquette when dealing with police that people seem to have forgotten. You are literally insane if you think this is a matter of "etiquette" or that it was an accident. Essex police haven't fired a single bullet in the last 10 years, and they are able to provide effective policing anyway. But in US a bunch of gestapo officers have a man pinned to the ground, with his gun taken away, and then they shoot him? At least the real gestapo had the decency to ask you to stand against the wall looking away before they executed you. As I asked you in another comment - do you want to live in a Judge Dredd universe where officers can just execute someone like this? And I repeat, it's not an accident. If it was, they would have shot him once.
    - joe_mamba 8mo ago
      >Essex police haven't fired a single bullet in the last 10 years, and they are able to provide effective policing anyway. Only if you misreport crime, ignore grooming gangs and arrest people for Tweets as "effective policing" in the UK. >And I repeat, it's not an accident. If it was, they would have shot him once. Police are trained to always fire multiple shots, as learned from firefight reports, people are left in capacity to fire back even when they have several rounds in them.
      - filoeleven 8mo ago
        > people are left in capacity to fire back even when they have several rounds in them. And when there are 8 people on top of them, they're facedown on the ground, their hands are stuck in front of their face with no way to get at the waistband in which they had a legally concealed firearm, which one ICE officer removes while another waits for him to be out of the way before another executes them?
        joe_mamba 8mo ago
        You're assuming officers have the time to rationalize all this thought process in the split second when another officer shouts "GUN!" and then one starts shooting leading to everyone shooting out of inertia. People got shot from police mistakes like these all the time. It's an accident, a bad one, but not an execution, as everyone on the left calls it.
  - filoeleven 8mo ago
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    - joe_mamba 8mo ago
      >Fuck off. Thanks, good to see great mental clarity and debate skills. > includes "following unlawful orders." Except the judge decides if the order was unlawful, not you. You don't get to decide on the spot that the order you received was unlawful and can just resist arrest if you feel like it. You cooperate with the orders, and then your lawyer will seek justice and compensation on your behalf is the way the officer handled himself was unlawful. That's the way it works.

gadders 8mo ago

>>covering their faces to avoid identification Covering their faces to avoid doxing and being attacked at their homes.

NekkoDroid 8mo ago
Weird how normal police (or almost any other actual LEO) doesn't have to do this, especially considering how bad their reputation in the US is.
- joe_mamba 8mo ago
  SWAT also covers their face.