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I doubt Americans will even pick up the phone or respond to LinkedIn messages / emails when they will se the budgets for the software Engineering roles in the E

I doubt Americans will even pick up the phone or respond to LinkedIn messages / emails when they will se the budgets for the software Engineering roles in the EU. I am saying that as an European, just to be clear.

toomuchtodo 8mo ago
Not everyone is optimizing for total comp. Some are optimizing for better lives. It's not a wild concept considering how many people get pulled into startups, 90% of which fail, under the guide of "mission" and lower market comp. Do you pick a mostly assured better quality of life? Or an equity payout lottery ticket/fairy tale? Certainly, there is a minority of folks making wild comp at FAANG, but that is a privileged minority of total tech and IT workers.
- baal80spam 8mo ago
  > Some are optimizing for better lives Of course. I just hope these people know that for example healthcare in Europe is by no means free.
  - toomuchtodo 8mo ago
    My health insurance for a family of four in Spain is $2k/year. In the US, it was exceeding $25k/year with premiums, copays, deductibles, etc. While not free, it is accessible. There was a time in my life we had to decide in the middle of the night if we could afford to take one of our children to the ER in the US when they were a newborn. I will never have that feeling in Europe, and that is priceless. Tax me more, I will happily contribute to a functioning governance system. I like taxes, with them I contribute to civilization. As an American, I am all in on Europe. It's not perfect, but the bar is in hell. We Asked 300 People About Health Care Costs. The Numbers Are Shocking. - https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/22/opinion/health-insurance-obamacare-subsidies-america.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/22/opinion/health-insurance-... | https://archive.today/MnYz9 https://archive.today/MnYz9 - January 22nd, 2026
    - znkynz 8mo ago
      That article is just mindblowing. My countries Health Service is far from perfect, but that is insanity.
      - toomuchtodo 8mo ago
        This is a component of what those who can qualify for some sort of visa are fleeing. The economics are undeniable.
    - tick_tock_tick 8mo ago
      I mean the issue here is your arguing on hackernews. The vast majority of people on this site in the USA just don't have these issues. Health care is taken care by the employeer and they are paid more.
    - durkie 8mo ago
      i have questions about this! is there a way to get in touch with you?
  - ceejayoz 8mo ago
    It's not free, but it's much cheaper. (And yes, that includes taxation.) https://www.oecd.org/en/data/indicators/health-spending.html https://www.oecd.org/en/data/indicators/health-spending.html https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OECD_health_expenditure_per_capita_by_country.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OECD_health_expendit... As a bonus, all that spend doesn't make us better in outcomes. https://ourworldindata.org/us-life-expectancy-low#life-expectancy-vs-health-expenditure-over-time-1970-2014ref https://ourworldindata.org/us-life-expectancy-low#life-expec...
  - jansper39 8mo ago
    Nobody in Europe thinks that healthcare just exists for free, but that it should be available to who need it for free and are happy to pay for that via tax.
- tick_tock_tick 8mo ago
  I think you're not quite understanding just how bad EU pay is for software. Frankly with the $$ you basically always going to come out ahead with the more comp especially since USA software companies normally offer great healthcare and comparable vacation.
idontwantthis 8mo ago
With a baby on the way, I'd seriously consider it for their lifetime benefits. Where does one begin looking?
- jeppester 8mo ago
  I don't know about France, but here in Denmark you'd generally find tech jobs on LinkedIn. If you have a decent amount of experience I don't think you'd be looking for very long. But as stated by other commenters, the salaries and lower and the taxes higher. What you get back is great worker protection, child care, free education and generally a feeling of safety for yourself and family. We also have a democracy that offers more than two choices!
swiftcoder 8mo ago
I know several folks who've migrated from US -> EU tech roles in the last few years. Yes, you earn less and pay (somewhat) more taxes. But if you have a few kids the difference in cost of education pretty much wipes out the difference, and some folks really value the stress reduction of a robust social safety net (layoff protections, healthcare coverage while unemployed, etc)

toomuchtodo 8mo ago

Not everyone is optimizing for total comp. Some are optimizing for better lives. It's not a wild concept considering how many people get pulled into startups, 90% of which fail, under the guide of "mission" and lower market comp. Do you pick a mostly assured better quality of life? Or an equity payout lottery ticket/fairy tale? Certainly, there is a minority of folks making wild comp at FAANG, but that is a privileged minority of total tech and IT workers.

baal80spam 8mo ago
> Some are optimizing for better lives Of course. I just hope these people know that for example healthcare in Europe is by no means free.
- toomuchtodo 8mo ago
  My health insurance for a family of four in Spain is $2k/year. In the US, it was exceeding $25k/year with premiums, copays, deductibles, etc. While not free, it is accessible. There was a time in my life we had to decide in the middle of the night if we could afford to take one of our children to the ER in the US when they were a newborn. I will never have that feeling in Europe, and that is priceless. Tax me more, I will happily contribute to a functioning governance system. I like taxes, with them I contribute to civilization. As an American, I am all in on Europe. It's not perfect, but the bar is in hell. We Asked 300 People About Health Care Costs. The Numbers Are Shocking. - https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/22/opinion/health-insurance-obamacare-subsidies-america.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/22/opinion/health-insurance-... | https://archive.today/MnYz9 https://archive.today/MnYz9 - January 22nd, 2026
  - znkynz 8mo ago
    That article is just mindblowing. My countries Health Service is far from perfect, but that is insanity.
    - toomuchtodo 8mo ago
      This is a component of what those who can qualify for some sort of visa are fleeing. The economics are undeniable.
  - tick_tock_tick 8mo ago
    I mean the issue here is your arguing on hackernews. The vast majority of people on this site in the USA just don't have these issues. Health care is taken care by the employeer and they are paid more.
  - durkie 8mo ago
    i have questions about this! is there a way to get in touch with you?
- ceejayoz 8mo ago
  It's not free, but it's much cheaper. (And yes, that includes taxation.) https://www.oecd.org/en/data/indicators/health-spending.html https://www.oecd.org/en/data/indicators/health-spending.html https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OECD_health_expenditure_per_capita_by_country.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OECD_health_expendit... As a bonus, all that spend doesn't make us better in outcomes. https://ourworldindata.org/us-life-expectancy-low#life-expectancy-vs-health-expenditure-over-time-1970-2014ref https://ourworldindata.org/us-life-expectancy-low#life-expec...
- jansper39 8mo ago
  Nobody in Europe thinks that healthcare just exists for free, but that it should be available to who need it for free and are happy to pay for that via tax.
tick_tock_tick 8mo ago
I think you're not quite understanding just how bad EU pay is for software. Frankly with the $$ you basically always going to come out ahead with the more comp especially since USA software companies normally offer great healthcare and comparable vacation.

idontwantthis 8mo ago

With a baby on the way, I'd seriously consider it for their lifetime benefits. Where does one begin looking?

jeppester 8mo ago
I don't know about France, but here in Denmark you'd generally find tech jobs on LinkedIn. If you have a decent amount of experience I don't think you'd be looking for very long. But as stated by other commenters, the salaries and lower and the taxes higher. What you get back is great worker protection, child care, free education and generally a feeling of safety for yourself and family. We also have a democracy that offers more than two choices!

swiftcoder 8mo ago

I know several folks who've migrated from US -> EU tech roles in the last few years. Yes, you earn less and pay (somewhat) more taxes. But if you have a few kids the difference in cost of education pretty much wipes out the difference, and some folks really value the stress reduction of a robust social safety net (layoff protections, healthcare coverage while unemployed, etc)