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Because most people are happy to see immigration laws enforced.

by quercus 8mo ago

mingus88 8mo ago
Then why isn’t ICE in the states with the most immigrants?
- cookszn 8mo ago
  Immigrants? or illegal immigrants? There’s a huge distinction between an immigrant coming with a visa/green card with a set job and education (net positive to the country)
- mickle00 8mo ago
  logic would indicate that its either (or both) (1) its not about immigration (it's about power and control thru fear) or (2) they're idiots
  - mingus88 8mo ago
    Agreed. If this were about enforcing immigration law, they would first focus on red states with huge immigrant populations, where they would have full cooperation from the local government and citizens who overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Those supporters who care about enforcing immigration laws would directly benefit. This is obviously violence directed at Minnesota, who is led by a political opponent. It’s capital F Fascism and everyone on the right has grandfathers that are ashamed of them.
    - quercus 8mo ago
      Who can resist a little schadenfreude.
      - mrtesthah 8mo ago
        LOL that lesbian bitch who got shot had it coming. amirite? We know what it is you really want.
    - cogman10 8mo ago
      > everyone on the right has grandfathers that are ashamed of them. There's plenty of German heritage in the US. There was a decent number of grandparents who thought the US was on the wrong side of WW2.
    - zahlman 8mo ago
      > If this were about enforcing immigration law, they would first focus on red states with huge immigrant populations They did; see my other reply.
      - mingus88 8mo ago
        How about business owners who are hiring the illegal immigrants? When aren’t they going after the supply?
        zahlman 8mo ago
        1. They do that too; see e.g. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5411184-ice-crackdown-unauthorized-workers/ https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5411184-ice-crac... . 2. Are they really "the supply"? There are so many illegal immigrants in the US now (so many that they have to prioritize the ones who have committed violent crimes, hence the "worst of the worst" propaganda) that it seems entirely reasonable to imagine they could start their own illicit businesses and employ each other. 3. Even habitually hiring illegal aliens doesn't appear to be a felony (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324a https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324a section (f)), so immigration officers such as ICE agents require a warrant to make an arrest for that specific case (unless they witness the crime per https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1357 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1357 section (5)(a), and I'm not even sure what that means for the case of unlawfully employing someone). 4. Yes, of course realpolitik also plays a role. Clearly these businesses aren't part of some conspiracy to overrun the country with illegal immigrants, so it wouldn't make sense to get the owners on Trump's bad side. These businesses would hire citizens if they were willing to work for the same pay and under the same conditions, and generally it's been the Republicans opposing things like minimum wage increases.
  - throw0101c 8mo ago
    > logic would indicate that its either (or both) (1) its not about immigration (it's about power and control thru fear) or (2) they're idiots Let's not forgot and/or (3) going after Minnesota voter roles (per this letter from Pam Bondi): * https://archive.is/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/01/24/us/pam-bondi-walz-doc.html https://archive.is/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/... * https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bondi-minnesota-voter-rolls-welfare-data-walz-immigration-shootings/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bondi-minnesota-voter-rolls-wel...
    - mickle00 8mo ago
      I see that as a subset of 1 (power & control thru fear), but yeah, clearly, and obviously not the 'stated' reasons
- zahlman 8mo ago
  They are. (see e.g. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-ar...) And they have been, the whole time. ICE has arrested and deported far more people from Texas than Minnesota (e.g. https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/texas-immigration-crackdown-data-ice-trump-arrests/ https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/texas-immigration-crac...; https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-states-ice-arrest-immigration-2107629 https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-states-ice-arrest-immigra...; https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/politics/immigration/2025/12/22/539358/texas-district-attorneys-deportation-witnesses-criminal-cases-immigrants/ https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/politics/im...; many other sources can easily be found). You don't hear about it so much (unless you go looking) because Texas isn't a sanctuary state. Texas law enforcement supports and assists ICE, and Texas government officials don't encourage protests (and would tell protesters, if asked, not to obstruct and not to resist arrest). So there is no major conflict, minimal protest, and essentially no news coverage. Minnesota government officials, on the other hand, seem to be interpreting 10A well beyond any precedent I ever heard of, and don't seem particularly interested in the consequences of the Supremacy Clause. In fact they have repeatedly falsely claimed that ICE are "not real law enforcement".
  - mingus88 8mo ago
    Oh, good to know. Executing law abiding citizens in cold blood is fair game then.
mickle00 8mo ago
source? The mainstream media is not covering the many daily protests I see in my area, and hear and see from friends and family elsewhere. However, I do think the majority of Americans do not have the luxury (or fear of losing their job, and thus their healthcare, etc) to just walk out on their jobs or responsibilities, and the social safety nets here are limited (and being further cut by this administration). I do think a general strike is the last chance at a non-violent resistance, but the oligarchs and powerful can weather that storm much more easily than the average American.
- quercus 8mo ago
  They literally voted for it.
  - array_key_first 8mo ago
    They voted for something else, they were conned by populist messaging.
    - fhdkweig 8mo ago
      I didn't bother to vote in 2016 because I wasn't paying attention. I was used to politics being about two nearly identical groups who both wanted what was best for America. By 2020 and 2024, everyone should have known who this guy was. He thrived on media attention. Even during the 4 years of Biden, every news article was about him. Everyone knew what he wanted to do, and they voted for what they wanted.
    - quercus 8mo ago
      Immigration was a pretty big topic during the election. People knew what they were voting for. I find it sad that you find it hard to believe people have civic pride they want to defend.
      - array_key_first 8mo ago
        Considering citizens have been executed by the state, I would say people did not know what they were voting for. Unless, of course, you're insinuating they do actually want that. In which case, your outlook of Trump voters is significantly lower than mine. Call me generous. Now, of course, a lot of people saw this coming and have been warning about growing authoritarianism from Trump and his administration. But his administration is also built almost entirely on lies, so I can't be too critical of people who are confused.
scoofy 8mo ago
You can be pro-immigration enforcement, while also anti whatever-the-fuck-this-is. It's called being pro-rule of law. You're not allowed to just shoot people in the back that are very obviously not a threat, even if their idiotic lack of proper training makes them feel like they're in danger. It's literally South Parkian "they're coming right for us!!!" -- BANG -- as justification for lethal force of an unarmed person in custody.

Because most people are happy to see immigration laws enforced.

by quercus 8mo ago

Because most people are happy to see immigration laws enforced.

mingus88 8mo ago

Then why isn’t ICE in the states with the most immigrants?

cookszn 8mo ago
Immigrants? or illegal immigrants? There’s a huge distinction between an immigrant coming with a visa/green card with a set job and education (net positive to the country)
mickle00 8mo ago
logic would indicate that its either (or both) (1) its not about immigration (it's about power and control thru fear) or (2) they're idiots
- mingus88 8mo ago
  Agreed. If this were about enforcing immigration law, they would first focus on red states with huge immigrant populations, where they would have full cooperation from the local government and citizens who overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Those supporters who care about enforcing immigration laws would directly benefit. This is obviously violence directed at Minnesota, who is led by a political opponent. It’s capital F Fascism and everyone on the right has grandfathers that are ashamed of them.
  - quercus 8mo ago
    Who can resist a little schadenfreude.
    - mrtesthah 8mo ago
      LOL that lesbian bitch who got shot had it coming. amirite? We know what it is you really want.
  - cogman10 8mo ago
    > everyone on the right has grandfathers that are ashamed of them. There's plenty of German heritage in the US. There was a decent number of grandparents who thought the US was on the wrong side of WW2.
  - zahlman 8mo ago
    > If this were about enforcing immigration law, they would first focus on red states with huge immigrant populations They did; see my other reply.
    - mingus88 8mo ago
      How about business owners who are hiring the illegal immigrants? When aren’t they going after the supply?
      - zahlman 8mo ago
        1. They do that too; see e.g. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5411184-ice-crackdown-unauthorized-workers/ https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5411184-ice-crac... . 2. Are they really "the supply"? There are so many illegal immigrants in the US now (so many that they have to prioritize the ones who have committed violent crimes, hence the "worst of the worst" propaganda) that it seems entirely reasonable to imagine they could start their own illicit businesses and employ each other. 3. Even habitually hiring illegal aliens doesn't appear to be a felony (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324a https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324a section (f)), so immigration officers such as ICE agents require a warrant to make an arrest for that specific case (unless they witness the crime per https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1357 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1357 section (5)(a), and I'm not even sure what that means for the case of unlawfully employing someone). 4. Yes, of course realpolitik also plays a role. Clearly these businesses aren't part of some conspiracy to overrun the country with illegal immigrants, so it wouldn't make sense to get the owners on Trump's bad side. These businesses would hire citizens if they were willing to work for the same pay and under the same conditions, and generally it's been the Republicans opposing things like minimum wage increases.
- throw0101c 8mo ago
  > logic would indicate that its either (or both) (1) its not about immigration (it's about power and control thru fear) or (2) they're idiots Let's not forgot and/or (3) going after Minnesota voter roles (per this letter from Pam Bondi): * https://archive.is/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/01/24/us/pam-bondi-walz-doc.html https://archive.is/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/... * https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bondi-minnesota-voter-rolls-welfare-data-walz-immigration-shootings/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bondi-minnesota-voter-rolls-wel...
  - mickle00 8mo ago
    I see that as a subset of 1 (power & control thru fear), but yeah, clearly, and obviously not the 'stated' reasons
zahlman 8mo ago
They are. (see e.g. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-ar...) And they have been, the whole time. ICE has arrested and deported far more people from Texas than Minnesota (e.g. https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/texas-immigration-crackdown-data-ice-trump-arrests/ https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/texas-immigration-crac...; https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-states-ice-arrest-immigration-2107629 https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-states-ice-arrest-immigra...; https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/politics/immigration/2025/12/22/539358/texas-district-attorneys-deportation-witnesses-criminal-cases-immigrants/ https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/politics/im...; many other sources can easily be found). You don't hear about it so much (unless you go looking) because Texas isn't a sanctuary state. Texas law enforcement supports and assists ICE, and Texas government officials don't encourage protests (and would tell protesters, if asked, not to obstruct and not to resist arrest). So there is no major conflict, minimal protest, and essentially no news coverage. Minnesota government officials, on the other hand, seem to be interpreting 10A well beyond any precedent I ever heard of, and don't seem particularly interested in the consequences of the Supremacy Clause. In fact they have repeatedly falsely claimed that ICE are "not real law enforcement".
- mingus88 8mo ago
  Oh, good to know. Executing law abiding citizens in cold blood is fair game then.

mickle00 8mo ago

source? The mainstream media is not covering the many daily protests I see in my area, and hear and see from friends and family elsewhere. However, I do think the majority of Americans do not have the luxury (or fear of losing their job, and thus their healthcare, etc) to just walk out on their jobs or responsibilities, and the social safety nets here are limited (and being further cut by this administration). I do think a general strike is the last chance at a non-violent resistance, but the oligarchs and powerful can weather that storm much more easily than the average American.

quercus 8mo ago
They literally voted for it.
- array_key_first 8mo ago
  They voted for something else, they were conned by populist messaging.
  - fhdkweig 8mo ago
    I didn't bother to vote in 2016 because I wasn't paying attention. I was used to politics being about two nearly identical groups who both wanted what was best for America. By 2020 and 2024, everyone should have known who this guy was. He thrived on media attention. Even during the 4 years of Biden, every news article was about him. Everyone knew what he wanted to do, and they voted for what they wanted.
  - quercus 8mo ago
    Immigration was a pretty big topic during the election. People knew what they were voting for. I find it sad that you find it hard to believe people have civic pride they want to defend.
    - array_key_first 8mo ago
      Considering citizens have been executed by the state, I would say people did not know what they were voting for. Unless, of course, you're insinuating they do actually want that. In which case, your outlook of Trump voters is significantly lower than mine. Call me generous. Now, of course, a lot of people saw this coming and have been warning about growing authoritarianism from Trump and his administration. But his administration is also built almost entirely on lies, so I can't be too critical of people who are confused.

scoofy 8mo ago

You can be pro-immigration enforcement, while also anti whatever-the-fuck-this-is. It's called being pro-rule of law. You're not allowed to just shoot people in the back that are very obviously not a threat, even if their idiotic lack of proper training makes them feel like they're in danger. It's literally South Parkian "they're coming right for us!!!" -- BANG -- as justification for lethal force of an unarmed person in custody.