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Meta: down votes here prove no such thing. If you are downvoted it's because you read the article that had nothing to do with politics, the comment on a vision

• E39M5S62 8mo ago
  Universal healthcare is real and human. If we can't use an article to inform how we think about current problems, what's the point of it?
  • bigstrat2003 8mo ago
    But the parent wasn't doing that. He was just taking the opportunity to dunk on his outgroup, by insinuating that people who are opposed to universal healthcare are selfish people who would rather hurt themselves than help others (which you will see is patently untrue if you actually get to know those people, but I digress). If the parent had instead chosen to give a thoughtful response focusing more on a positive message (say, exploring how we should do more to help others and how universal healthcare can be a facet of that), that would've been fine. But yet another post of "my outgroup is evil" doesn't teach us anything or lead to good discussion.
    • testing22321 8mo ago
      > insinuating that people who are opposed to universal healthcare are selfish people who would rather hurt themselves than help others Please educate me. What possible reason is there to oppose universal healthcare? Please keep in mind that factually it’s cheaper and results in better outcomes in every developed country in the world.
      • noitpmeder 8mo ago
        "please convince me otherwise, but keep in mind I have a very strongly held opinion that I consider to be an unshakeable fact, and by the way I'm asking you for evidence while providing none of my own. But it's a fact."
        • cfinnberg 8mo ago
          Just ask your favorite AI "How U.S. compares to others countries in healthcare metrics?" and you'll probably get a detailed list of how U.S. healthcare is more expensive than many other countries while ranking quite low in outcomes: life expectancy, maternal and infant mortality, chronic disease, ... (and also having part of the population out of the insurance network) You are entitled to have whatever opinion you want on the matter, but that doesn't change the facts.
          • b3ing 8mo ago
            Sometimes people believe that if the US isn’t doing it already, there isn’t a better way, because somehow the best nation on the planet would be doing it already, it’s blind patriotism, rather than accept their might be better solutions. It why we care more about the flag or eagle than the US Constitution.
    • E39M5S62 8mo ago
      That's not a very charitable interpretation of his comments.
    • ThePowerOfFuet 8mo ago
      > people who are opposed to universal healthcare are selfish people who would rather hurt themselves than help others Indeed that is the only explanation I have ever figured out.
• testing22321 8mo ago
  The fact you think a basic human right is politics shows how much of a problem it is. Developed countries don’t do that.
  • Auracle 8mo ago
    It’s not as simple as that and you know it. There are upsides and downsides to both systems. Personally, I’d be fine with universal healthcare on the state level, but not the federal. The fact that I have thoughts like that shows it’s not as simple as “durr everyone deserves healthcare.” Of course they do, but a universal healthcare system implemented poorly means that everyone gets really bad healthcare.