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I am not a US citizen, just an observer. What is the alternative when the Democrats appear just as much beholden to corporate finance, and position themselves

I am not a US citizen, just an observer. What is the alternative when the Democrats appear just as much beholden to corporate finance, and position themselves as the party for city dwellers? I also disagree on the wealth redistribution. Government agencies are managers of risk. * Is there a risk to the country's food security if farmers go bust on mass? Then the Government needs to mitigate that risk. Fairly simple. * This was the explanation from the director general of non-US primary industries department as to the whole reason they exist. Managing biosecurity risks are particularly important, but also managing fishing stocks and helping farmers mitigate their risk.

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mlrtime 8mo ago
You are correct, no replies but people don't like your message.
- mexicocitinluez 8mo ago
  No, they aren't. Go look at the bills coming before congress and tell me how many are voted purely along party lines? Then look at the bills themselves. And the vast majority of the party is actually working towards real change. And guess what's happening to those who don't (the Schumers and Pelosis of the party)? They have a 5% approval rating and have to CONSTANTLY deal with people from their own party telling them to step down.
  - gadflyinyoureye 8mo ago
    They are never voted out.
    - mexicocitinluez 8mo ago
      Yes, a handful of people in the Democrat party suck. But that's not the same as saying they're the same as Republicans. Not even remotely close. The "both sides" stuff is an amateur, armchair take that tells me the person doesn't actually follow what's happening. And again, you don't need any more proof that what they actually vote on. Go ahead, look up the bills. How does the "both sides" argument stand up to the fact that we have the most divided congress in almost 100 years?
stefs 8mo ago
i would love to hear Farm-To-Taber answering this. she, a farmer and farm worker, ran as a democrat. i really like and recommend her podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@FarmToTaber https://www.youtube.com/@FarmToTaber she regularly does episodes about politics in regards to farming.
avidiax 8mo ago
Voting for Democrats is the alternative. If the Republicans get voted out and become powerless, they (or the successor party) will have to be better to regain power. Anything else is some accelerationist nonsense.
- andrekandre 8mo ago
  > If the Republicans get voted out and become powerless, they (or the successor party) will have to be better to regain power. has this been the trend over the last 40 years after getting the boot in 1992, 2008 and 2020? the trend is that they become increasingly bold and activist to the point of conspiracy theories being mainstream (death-panels, vaccine chips, birthers, qanon etc etc) and the other issue that remains is that when dems take over again, they mostly carry on with the republican predecessor's (de-regulation, welfare/healthcare cuts, iraq/afganistan, tarrifs, foreign relations etc) policies with a better and more polished look... then voters who expected better get fed up and bail and the seesaw rocks the other way again. > Anything else is some accelerationist nonsense. i don't know, we are already quite accelerated at the moment no?
UncleMeat 8mo ago
Democrats write constantly about trying to reach rural americans. I've never seen democrats meaningfully position themselves as the party for city dwellers. Instead I've seen democrats simply refuse to describe cities as hellholes full of crime, laziness, and sexual promiscuity like the republicans do.
- Throaway1982 8mo ago
  The Dems dont actually do much to reach those rural Americans though.
  - therobots927 8mo ago
    That’s because they don’t appear to actually be trying to win. They appear to exist for the sole purpose of playing the good cop to the republican bad cop.
    - throwaway422432 8mo ago
      Both sides are as bad as each other. Sure there may be a few individuals who truly stand for something and would sacrifice everything to make some change, but the majority don't and in many cases will never have the power or opportunity to bring about change. Why? They're individuals who above all look to secure the steady job that will provide the standard of living they aspire to. Unless someone can self-fund and run as an independent, they are beholden to those who provide the funds required to run for office and also have to pander to whichever party put then on the ticket.
  - UncleMeat 8mo ago
    What specific actions would you like elected dems to do that you aren't currently seeing?
    - jayd16 8mo ago
      They won't come out and say but they just want a "tough guy" to follow. Is anyone going to admit they voted for Trump because of his clear policies or clean execution, or sober leadership?
mexicocitinluez 8mo ago
> What is the alternative when the Democrats appear just as much beholden to corporate finance, and position themselves as the party for city dwellers? For the love of God, please don't "both sides" this stuff. When is the last time you took a look at the bills coming before Congress and how they were voted on? Like, literally go to the congressional website and view bills and vote tallies? Would you believe it if I told you stuff like "Prevent rich people from stealing wages from their workers" are voted SOLELY ON PARTY LINES. In fact, we have the most divided congress in like 100 years. There has not been a point in the last century in which the 2 parties were so different. Lastly, there are at least 50 Dems in congress right now who explicitly aren't beholden to corporate finance and regularly introduce bills to remove money from politics.
- GrinningFool 8mo ago
  > Lastly, there are at least 50 Dems in congress right now who explicitly aren't beholden to corporate finance and regularly introduce bills to remove money from politics. Sometimes seems like they introduce those bills only when they can't possibly pass. Makes for good theater and talking points ("I _tried_, look!").
  - mexicocitinluez 8mo ago
    So I don't see those particular Dems doing that as much as I see the Schumers & Pelosis doing it. And to that end, I agree completely. Though not introduced by Dems, this is a great example of just how stupid all of this is: http://congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/58/text http://congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-concurrent-res... Of all of the things currently plaguing the US, the fact that they think this is appropriate speaks volumes.
- throwaway-11-1 8mo ago
  Democrats couldn't fix a single thing while in power and have now lost to Trump twice, you need to stop enabling these absolute losers. Look at the people they keep running! They have no spine and will crumble at the slightest push back. It's all "Aw shucks the parliamentarian said we couldn't" bullshit. They see politics as a cash generating mechanism for consultants, not a means for improving the country. I'm so tired of being texted for more money by these cowards. Insane to think they won't just set conditions for the next Trump all over again. God I wish Sheinbaum could run for office here.

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mlrtime 8mo ago

You are correct, no replies but people don't like your message.

mexicocitinluez 8mo ago
No, they aren't. Go look at the bills coming before congress and tell me how many are voted purely along party lines? Then look at the bills themselves. And the vast majority of the party is actually working towards real change. And guess what's happening to those who don't (the Schumers and Pelosis of the party)? They have a 5% approval rating and have to CONSTANTLY deal with people from their own party telling them to step down.
- gadflyinyoureye 8mo ago
  They are never voted out.
  - mexicocitinluez 8mo ago
    Yes, a handful of people in the Democrat party suck. But that's not the same as saying they're the same as Republicans. Not even remotely close. The "both sides" stuff is an amateur, armchair take that tells me the person doesn't actually follow what's happening. And again, you don't need any more proof that what they actually vote on. Go ahead, look up the bills. How does the "both sides" argument stand up to the fact that we have the most divided congress in almost 100 years?

stefs 8mo ago

i would love to hear Farm-To-Taber answering this. she, a farmer and farm worker, ran as a democrat. i really like and recommend her podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@FarmToTaber https://www.youtube.com/@FarmToTaber she regularly does episodes about politics in regards to farming.

avidiax 8mo ago

Voting for Democrats is the alternative. If the Republicans get voted out and become powerless, they (or the successor party) will have to be better to regain power. Anything else is some accelerationist nonsense.

andrekandre 8mo ago
> If the Republicans get voted out and become powerless, they (or the successor party) will have to be better to regain power. has this been the trend over the last 40 years after getting the boot in 1992, 2008 and 2020? the trend is that they become increasingly bold and activist to the point of conspiracy theories being mainstream (death-panels, vaccine chips, birthers, qanon etc etc) and the other issue that remains is that when dems take over again, they mostly carry on with the republican predecessor's (de-regulation, welfare/healthcare cuts, iraq/afganistan, tarrifs, foreign relations etc) policies with a better and more polished look... then voters who expected better get fed up and bail and the seesaw rocks the other way again. > Anything else is some accelerationist nonsense. i don't know, we are already quite accelerated at the moment no?

UncleMeat 8mo ago

Democrats write constantly about trying to reach rural americans. I've never seen democrats meaningfully position themselves as the party for city dwellers. Instead I've seen democrats simply refuse to describe cities as hellholes full of crime, laziness, and sexual promiscuity like the republicans do.

Throaway1982 8mo ago
The Dems dont actually do much to reach those rural Americans though.
- therobots927 8mo ago
  That’s because they don’t appear to actually be trying to win. They appear to exist for the sole purpose of playing the good cop to the republican bad cop.
  - throwaway422432 8mo ago
    Both sides are as bad as each other. Sure there may be a few individuals who truly stand for something and would sacrifice everything to make some change, but the majority don't and in many cases will never have the power or opportunity to bring about change. Why? They're individuals who above all look to secure the steady job that will provide the standard of living they aspire to. Unless someone can self-fund and run as an independent, they are beholden to those who provide the funds required to run for office and also have to pander to whichever party put then on the ticket.
- UncleMeat 8mo ago
  What specific actions would you like elected dems to do that you aren't currently seeing?
  - jayd16 8mo ago
    They won't come out and say but they just want a "tough guy" to follow. Is anyone going to admit they voted for Trump because of his clear policies or clean execution, or sober leadership?

mexicocitinluez 8mo ago

> What is the alternative when the Democrats appear just as much beholden to corporate finance, and position themselves as the party for city dwellers? For the love of God, please don't "both sides" this stuff. When is the last time you took a look at the bills coming before Congress and how they were voted on? Like, literally go to the congressional website and view bills and vote tallies? Would you believe it if I told you stuff like "Prevent rich people from stealing wages from their workers" are voted SOLELY ON PARTY LINES. In fact, we have the most divided congress in like 100 years. There has not been a point in the last century in which the 2 parties were so different. Lastly, there are at least 50 Dems in congress right now who explicitly aren't beholden to corporate finance and regularly introduce bills to remove money from politics.

GrinningFool 8mo ago
> Lastly, there are at least 50 Dems in congress right now who explicitly aren't beholden to corporate finance and regularly introduce bills to remove money from politics. Sometimes seems like they introduce those bills only when they can't possibly pass. Makes for good theater and talking points ("I _tried_, look!").
- mexicocitinluez 8mo ago
  So I don't see those particular Dems doing that as much as I see the Schumers & Pelosis doing it. And to that end, I agree completely. Though not introduced by Dems, this is a great example of just how stupid all of this is: http://congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/58/text http://congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-concurrent-res... Of all of the things currently plaguing the US, the fact that they think this is appropriate speaks volumes.
throwaway-11-1 8mo ago
Democrats couldn't fix a single thing while in power and have now lost to Trump twice, you need to stop enabling these absolute losers. Look at the people they keep running! They have no spine and will crumble at the slightest push back. It's all "Aw shucks the parliamentarian said we couldn't" bullshit. They see politics as a cash generating mechanism for consultants, not a means for improving the country. I'm so tired of being texted for more money by these cowards. Insane to think they won't just set conditions for the next Trump all over again. God I wish Sheinbaum could run for office here.