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Anthropic has already has lower guardrails for DoD usage: https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/680465/anthropic-claude-gov-us-government-military

Anthropic has already has lower guardrails for DoD usage: https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/680465/anthropic-claude-gov-us-government-military-ai-model-launch https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/680465/a... It's interesting to me that a company that claims to be all about the public good: - Sells LLMs for military usage + collaborates with Palantir - Releases by far the least useful research of all the major US and Chinese labs, minus vanity interp projects from their interns - Is the only major lab in the world that releases zero open weight models - Actively lobbies to restrict Americans from access to open weight models - Discloses zero information on safety training despite this supposedly being the whole reason for their existence

skeptic_ai 8mo ago
Do you think dod would use Anthropic even with lower guardrails? How can I kill this terrorist in the middle on civilians with max 20% casualties? If Claude will answer: “sorry can’t help with that “ won’t be useful, right? Therefore the logic is they need to answer all the hard questions. Therefore as I’ve been saying for many times already they are sketchy.
- kelseydh 8mo ago
  I can't think of anything scarier than a military planner making life or death decisions with a non-empathetic sycophantic AI. "You're absolutely right!"
  - Aeolun 8mo ago
    shot on target Perfect!
    - sciencejerk 8mo ago
      Now imagine it spoken by Cortana from the Halo series for the full effect
  - Cthulhu_ 8mo ago
    Unfortunately this is already the reality: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-assisted_targeting_in_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-assisted_targeting_in_the_G...
- skeptic_ai 8mo ago
  I am downvoted because sod would never need to ask that or because Claude would never answer that? I’m curious
  - hackable_sand 8mo ago
    Because you are a ghoul
    - skeptic_ai 8mo ago
      I think it’s a very realistic scenario. You think did wouldn’t plan an assassination?
spondyl 8mo ago
This comment reminded me of a Github issue from last week on Claude Code's Github repo. It alleged that Claude was used to draft a memo from Pam Bondi and in doing so, Claude's constitution was bypassed and/or not present. https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/17762 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/17762 To be clear, I don't believe or endorse most of what that issue claims, just that I was reminded of it. One of my new pastimes has been morbidly browsing Claude Code issues, as a few issues filed there seem to be from users exhibiting signs of AI psychosis.
- neoromantique 8mo ago
  Issue author does not even attempt to hide their obsession with Israel, damn
- jychang 8mo ago
  Wow. That's one of the clearest case of AI psychosis I've seen.
revicon 8mo ago
https://archive.ph/aRsRV https://archive.ph/aRsRV
yakshaving_jgt 8mo ago
Military technology is a public good. The only way to stop a russian soldier from launching yet another missile at my house is to kill him.
- rcbdev 8mo ago
  I don't think U.S.-Americans would be quite so fond of this mindset if every nation and people their government needlessly destroyed thought this way. Doesn't matter if it happened through collusion with foreign threats such as Israel or direct military engagements.
  - yakshaving_jgt 8mo ago
    Somehow I don’t get the impression that US soldiers killed in the Middle East are stoking American bloodlust. Conversely, russian soldiers are here in Ukraine today, murdering Ukrainians every day. And then when I visit, for example, a tech conference in Berlin, there are somehow always several high-powered nerds with equal enthusiasm for both Rust and the hammer and sickle, who believe all defence tech is immoral, and that forcing Ukrainian men, women, and children to roll over and die is a relatively more moral path to peace.
    - qweiopqweiop 8mo ago
      It's an easy and convenient position. War is bad, maybe my government is bad, ergo they shouldn't have anything to do with it. Too much of the western world has lived through a period of peace that goes back generations, so probably think things/human nature has changed. The only thing that's really changed is Nuclear weapons/MAD - and I'm sorry Ukraine was made to give them up without the protection it deserved.
- teiferer 8mo ago
  It's not the only way. An alternative is to organize the world in a way that makes it not just unnecessary but even more so detrimental to said soldier's interests to launch a missle towards your house in the first place. The sentence you wrote wouldn't be something you write about (present day) German or French soldiers. Why? Because there are cultural and economic ties to those countries, their people. Shared values. Mutual understanding. You wouldn't claim that the only way to prevent a Frenchmen to kill you is to kill them first. It's hard to achieve. It's much easier to just mark the strong man, fantasize about a strong military with killing machines that defend the good against the evil. And those Hollywood-esque views are pushed by populists and military industries alike. But they ultimately make all our societies poorer, less safe and arguably less moral.
killingtime74 8mo ago
Both weapons manufacturers like Lockheed Martin (defending freedom) and cigarette makers like Philip Morris ( "Delivering a Smoke-Free Future.") also claim to be for the public good. Maybe don't believe or rely on anything you hear from business people.
sebzim4500 8mo ago
> Releases by far the least useful research of all the major US and Chinese labs, minus vanity interp projects from their interns From what I've seen the anthropic interp team is the most advanced in the industry. What makes you think otherwise?
retinaros 8mo ago
You just need to hear the guy stance on china open models to understand They not the goods guys.
zoobab 8mo ago
"Actively lobbies to restrict Americans from access to open weight models" Do you have a reference/link?
judahmeek 8mo ago
Thanks for pointing these concerns out. I had considered Anthropic one of the "good" corporations because of their focus on AI safety & governance. I never actually considered whether their perspective on AI safety & governance actually matched my own. ^^;

skeptic_ai 8mo ago

Do you think dod would use Anthropic even with lower guardrails? How can I kill this terrorist in the middle on civilians with max 20% casualties? If Claude will answer: “sorry can’t help with that “ won’t be useful, right? Therefore the logic is they need to answer all the hard questions. Therefore as I’ve been saying for many times already they are sketchy.

kelseydh 8mo ago
I can't think of anything scarier than a military planner making life or death decisions with a non-empathetic sycophantic AI. "You're absolutely right!"
- Aeolun 8mo ago
  shot on target Perfect!
  - sciencejerk 8mo ago
    Now imagine it spoken by Cortana from the Halo series for the full effect
- Cthulhu_ 8mo ago
  Unfortunately this is already the reality: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-assisted_targeting_in_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-assisted_targeting_in_the_G...
skeptic_ai 8mo ago
I am downvoted because sod would never need to ask that or because Claude would never answer that? I’m curious
- hackable_sand 8mo ago
  Because you are a ghoul
  - skeptic_ai 8mo ago
    I think it’s a very realistic scenario. You think did wouldn’t plan an assassination?

spondyl 8mo ago

This comment reminded me of a Github issue from last week on Claude Code's Github repo. It alleged that Claude was used to draft a memo from Pam Bondi and in doing so, Claude's constitution was bypassed and/or not present. https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/17762 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/17762 To be clear, I don't believe or endorse most of what that issue claims, just that I was reminded of it. One of my new pastimes has been morbidly browsing Claude Code issues, as a few issues filed there seem to be from users exhibiting signs of AI psychosis.

neoromantique 8mo ago
Issue author does not even attempt to hide their obsession with Israel, damn
jychang 8mo ago
Wow. That's one of the clearest case of AI psychosis I've seen.

revicon 8mo ago

https://archive.ph/aRsRV https://archive.ph/aRsRV

yakshaving_jgt 8mo ago

Military technology is a public good. The only way to stop a russian soldier from launching yet another missile at my house is to kill him.

rcbdev 8mo ago
I don't think U.S.-Americans would be quite so fond of this mindset if every nation and people their government needlessly destroyed thought this way. Doesn't matter if it happened through collusion with foreign threats such as Israel or direct military engagements.
- yakshaving_jgt 8mo ago
  Somehow I don’t get the impression that US soldiers killed in the Middle East are stoking American bloodlust. Conversely, russian soldiers are here in Ukraine today, murdering Ukrainians every day. And then when I visit, for example, a tech conference in Berlin, there are somehow always several high-powered nerds with equal enthusiasm for both Rust and the hammer and sickle, who believe all defence tech is immoral, and that forcing Ukrainian men, women, and children to roll over and die is a relatively more moral path to peace.
  - qweiopqweiop 8mo ago
    It's an easy and convenient position. War is bad, maybe my government is bad, ergo they shouldn't have anything to do with it. Too much of the western world has lived through a period of peace that goes back generations, so probably think things/human nature has changed. The only thing that's really changed is Nuclear weapons/MAD - and I'm sorry Ukraine was made to give them up without the protection it deserved.
teiferer 8mo ago
It's not the only way. An alternative is to organize the world in a way that makes it not just unnecessary but even more so detrimental to said soldier's interests to launch a missle towards your house in the first place. The sentence you wrote wouldn't be something you write about (present day) German or French soldiers. Why? Because there are cultural and economic ties to those countries, their people. Shared values. Mutual understanding. You wouldn't claim that the only way to prevent a Frenchmen to kill you is to kill them first. It's hard to achieve. It's much easier to just mark the strong man, fantasize about a strong military with killing machines that defend the good against the evil. And those Hollywood-esque views are pushed by populists and military industries alike. But they ultimately make all our societies poorer, less safe and arguably less moral.

killingtime74 8mo ago

Both weapons manufacturers like Lockheed Martin (defending freedom) and cigarette makers like Philip Morris ( "Delivering a Smoke-Free Future.") also claim to be for the public good. Maybe don't believe or rely on anything you hear from business people.

sebzim4500 8mo ago

> Releases by far the least useful research of all the major US and Chinese labs, minus vanity interp projects from their interns From what I've seen the anthropic interp team is the most advanced in the industry. What makes you think otherwise?

retinaros 8mo ago

You just need to hear the guy stance on china open models to understand They not the goods guys.

zoobab 8mo ago

"Actively lobbies to restrict Americans from access to open weight models" Do you have a reference/link?

judahmeek 8mo ago

Thanks for pointing these concerns out. I had considered Anthropic one of the "good" corporations because of their focus on AI safety & governance. I never actually considered whether their perspective on AI safety & governance actually matched my own. ^^;