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They are proud people who want to defend their country.

by Scrapemist 8mo ago

anticodon 8mo ago
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- koonsolo 8mo ago
  I work with plenty of people from Ukraine. And recently, someone went abroad. So it's definitely still possible.
  - anticodon 8mo ago
    Very unlikely. Men of ages 18-60 are forbidden to leave Ukraine since February 27 or 28 of 2022. Women cannot cross the border since 2023. Of course, there should be some exceptions. For example, some people need to go abroad to bring Western supplied munitions, officials can leave to visit other countries, etc. But almost 100% of the population cannot leave Ukraine under any circumstances.
    - kakacik 8mo ago
      Untrue, why the heck do you keep spreading lies all over here? Young people including men 18-22 can leave Ukraine these days. This change was all over the world news at the end of December. You are not on the top of your game, are you.
      - gpderetta 8mo ago
        A not so great man once said: "To think badly is a sin, but you're almost always right".
      - anticodon 8mo ago
        I don't follow Ukrainian laws closely. I remember they allowed young men of ages 18-22 to cross the border in August 2025 (!). That caused enormous lines on the borders as the first day after this law 11,000 young men fled the country. But that only about men of age 18-22. Men of age 22-60 still cannot leave the country. And 18-22 couldn't leave the country for three years.
        koonsolo 8mo ago
        Honest question: why do you comment when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about? You make all kinds of false claims, and then people who actually know have to correct you.
        anticodon 8mo ago
        I have information from the first hands because half of my family lives in Ukraine. Where do you get your information? From CNN? Can you show an Ukrainian law that allows men to freely cross the border?
        koonsolo 8mo ago
        You skipped the part where I said I work with Ukrainians? I work with them on a weekly basis for 13 years. > Can you show an Ukrainian law that allows men to freely cross the border? Did I say he crossed it legally? He crossed it illegally of course, which according to you was impossible due to guards with automatic rifles, drones and anti-personnel mines. > half of my family lives in Ukraine. My bet: You haven't spoken with them in years, because they cut connections due to your political views. Just as I will now.
    - tasuki 8mo ago
      > Women cannot cross the border since 2023. I have spoken with several Ukrainian women who have crossed the border several times since 2023. They live and work in Poland or Czechia, but go visit Ukraine once or twice a year. Note they're Ukrainian citizens, and do not have Czech nor Polish citizenship.
    - koonsolo 8mo ago
      > Very unlikely. Well, the guy I know fled Ukraine last year, and is now alive and well abroad. So I would say very likely.
- kakacik 8mo ago
  This is a lie, please stop spreading those. There are no "all barbed wire" borders, no anti-personnel mines, "guards with automatic weapons" sounds like some meme from 80s video games (which border guards anywhere in the world don't have some rifle with automatic fire mode?). Young people from Ukraine can currently travel free as far as I know. You were thinking about russia, weren't you. Its not true even for that shithole, but much closer.
abc123abc123 8mo ago
Let politicians fight and die in their own wars. If russia "visited" my country, I'd follow it with a drink in my hand from the bahamas. No piece of dirt or earth is worth dying for, ever.
- throw0101c 8mo ago
  > No piece of dirt or earth is worth dying for, ever. If no one ever defends the dirt, the pieces of earth where you can enjoy a drink in peace and freedom will shrink over time as the aggressors will continue to gobble up land because of the lack of defending. They keep moving forward, you keep moving back, until you have no where to retreat to.
  - user205738 8mo ago
    Come back to this comment in a few years and think about whether something significant has changed for those people who did not sacrifice their lives for a meaningless battle. People are more important than the state. If they are not ready to defend him, why should they be forced? You can offer money or other valuables in return, such as fame, a pension, or a position, but if a person doesn't want to, why should they do it?
    - throw0101c 8mo ago
      > Come back to this comment in a few years and think about whether something significant has changed for those people who did not sacrifice their lives for a meaningless battle. My family is from Eastern Europe: if people had not fought "meaningless" battles then the land would have been ruled by genocidal maniacs. As it stand my grandmother almost ended up in an oven. My very existence is the result of the battles having meaning, that people fighting matters.
      - user205738 8mo ago
        There is a significant difference. Nothing will change for an ordinary person now. At that time, the Genplan OST implied the almost complete extermination and the enslavement of a small number of the remaining people. And also going back to the second part of the top commentary. At that time, people had a great motivation to defend their homeland and their loved ones. The survival of the country and the survival of the people in it were inextricably linked. The current conflict has no such connection. The existence or cessation of the existence of the state is not related to the existence of people in it. Many of whom found life in a completely different country. There were already volunteers, mercenaries, those who fell for a good salary. Why force those who actively avoid it?
bill_joy_fanboy 8mo ago
In this day an age, if you are a Western man defending a Western country's leading power structure, you are a fool. The idea of being drafted to defend my country that sells me out at every opportunity is laughable.

They are proud people who want to defend their country.

anticodon 8mo ago

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koonsolo 8mo ago
I work with plenty of people from Ukraine. And recently, someone went abroad. So it's definitely still possible.
- anticodon 8mo ago
  Very unlikely. Men of ages 18-60 are forbidden to leave Ukraine since February 27 or 28 of 2022. Women cannot cross the border since 2023. Of course, there should be some exceptions. For example, some people need to go abroad to bring Western supplied munitions, officials can leave to visit other countries, etc. But almost 100% of the population cannot leave Ukraine under any circumstances.
  - kakacik 8mo ago
    Untrue, why the heck do you keep spreading lies all over here? Young people including men 18-22 can leave Ukraine these days. This change was all over the world news at the end of December. You are not on the top of your game, are you.
    - gpderetta 8mo ago
      A not so great man once said: "To think badly is a sin, but you're almost always right".
    - anticodon 8mo ago
      I don't follow Ukrainian laws closely. I remember they allowed young men of ages 18-22 to cross the border in August 2025 (!). That caused enormous lines on the borders as the first day after this law 11,000 young men fled the country. But that only about men of age 18-22. Men of age 22-60 still cannot leave the country. And 18-22 couldn't leave the country for three years.
      - koonsolo 8mo ago
        Honest question: why do you comment when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about? You make all kinds of false claims, and then people who actually know have to correct you.
        anticodon 8mo ago
        I have information from the first hands because half of my family lives in Ukraine. Where do you get your information? From CNN? Can you show an Ukrainian law that allows men to freely cross the border?
        koonsolo 8mo ago
        You skipped the part where I said I work with Ukrainians? I work with them on a weekly basis for 13 years. > Can you show an Ukrainian law that allows men to freely cross the border? Did I say he crossed it legally? He crossed it illegally of course, which according to you was impossible due to guards with automatic rifles, drones and anti-personnel mines. > half of my family lives in Ukraine. My bet: You haven't spoken with them in years, because they cut connections due to your political views. Just as I will now.
  - tasuki 8mo ago
    > Women cannot cross the border since 2023. I have spoken with several Ukrainian women who have crossed the border several times since 2023. They live and work in Poland or Czechia, but go visit Ukraine once or twice a year. Note they're Ukrainian citizens, and do not have Czech nor Polish citizenship.
  - koonsolo 8mo ago
    > Very unlikely. Well, the guy I know fled Ukraine last year, and is now alive and well abroad. So I would say very likely.
kakacik 8mo ago
This is a lie, please stop spreading those. There are no "all barbed wire" borders, no anti-personnel mines, "guards with automatic weapons" sounds like some meme from 80s video games (which border guards anywhere in the world don't have some rifle with automatic fire mode?). Young people from Ukraine can currently travel free as far as I know. You were thinking about russia, weren't you. Its not true even for that shithole, but much closer.

abc123abc123 8mo ago

Let politicians fight and die in their own wars. If russia "visited" my country, I'd follow it with a drink in my hand from the bahamas. No piece of dirt or earth is worth dying for, ever.

throw0101c 8mo ago
> No piece of dirt or earth is worth dying for, ever. If no one ever defends the dirt, the pieces of earth where you can enjoy a drink in peace and freedom will shrink over time as the aggressors will continue to gobble up land because of the lack of defending. They keep moving forward, you keep moving back, until you have no where to retreat to.
- user205738 8mo ago
  Come back to this comment in a few years and think about whether something significant has changed for those people who did not sacrifice their lives for a meaningless battle. People are more important than the state. If they are not ready to defend him, why should they be forced? You can offer money or other valuables in return, such as fame, a pension, or a position, but if a person doesn't want to, why should they do it?
  - throw0101c 8mo ago
    > Come back to this comment in a few years and think about whether something significant has changed for those people who did not sacrifice their lives for a meaningless battle. My family is from Eastern Europe: if people had not fought "meaningless" battles then the land would have been ruled by genocidal maniacs. As it stand my grandmother almost ended up in an oven. My very existence is the result of the battles having meaning, that people fighting matters.
    - user205738 8mo ago
      There is a significant difference. Nothing will change for an ordinary person now. At that time, the Genplan OST implied the almost complete extermination and the enslavement of a small number of the remaining people. And also going back to the second part of the top commentary. At that time, people had a great motivation to defend their homeland and their loved ones. The survival of the country and the survival of the people in it were inextricably linked. The current conflict has no such connection. The existence or cessation of the existence of the state is not related to the existence of people in it. Many of whom found life in a completely different country. There were already volunteers, mercenaries, those who fell for a good salary. Why force those who actively avoid it?

bill_joy_fanboy 8mo ago

In this day an age, if you are a Western man defending a Western country's leading power structure, you are a fool. The idea of being drafted to defend my country that sells me out at every opportunity is laughable.