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I wonder what the additional layer of virtualization changes with respect to this in a project like this one: https://github.com/dockur/macos https://github.com

I wonder what the additional layer of virtualization changes with respect to this in a project like this one: https://github.com/dockur/macos https://github.com/dockur/macos The unattended setup is a large improvement, which also begs the question: Mac OS doesn't have an unattended.xml alternative for its installer?

happyopossum 8mo ago
macOS has unattended setup options via MDM or Apple Configurator…
- easton 8mo ago
  Can you do zero touch without having an Apple Business account (so, a DUNS number) and a MDM? I thought this was a silly way to do it too, but upon reflection I don’t know if you can zero touch setup a Mac without registering a device in DEP.
  - frabonacci 8mo ago
    re: unattended setup. You're both right - Apple's official zero-touch setup requires MDM + DEP, which needs Apple Business Manager (and yes, a DUNS number). But for VMs specifically, DEP doesn't work anyway - VMs don't have real serial numbers that can be enrolled in Device Enrollment Program. VNC-based setup automation is the only practical option - it's what the ecosystem has converged on for macOS VMs. Lume connects to the VM's VNC server and programmatically tabs, clicks, types through Setup Assistant.
    - arianvanp 8mo ago
      I wish the virtualization framework would allow you to simulate your own MDM stuff. Would be very useful for integration testing MDM implementations themselves...
frabonacci 8mo ago
re: https://github.com/dockur/macos https://github.com/dockur/macos A closer comparison here is Lumier, which provides a "Docker-like" interface to spin up VMs with a noVNC server: https://cua.ai/docs/lume/guide/advanced/lumier/docker https://cua.ai/docs/lume/guide/advanced/lumier/docker The key difference: dockur/macos uses QEMU+KVM, which only works on Linux hosts. It can't run on macOS hardware since Apple doesn't expose KVM. See: https://github.com/dockur/macos/issues/256 https://github.com/dockur/macos/issues/256

happyopossum 8mo ago

macOS has unattended setup options via MDM or Apple Configurator…

easton 8mo ago
Can you do zero touch without having an Apple Business account (so, a DUNS number) and a MDM? I thought this was a silly way to do it too, but upon reflection I don’t know if you can zero touch setup a Mac without registering a device in DEP.
- frabonacci 8mo ago
  re: unattended setup. You're both right - Apple's official zero-touch setup requires MDM + DEP, which needs Apple Business Manager (and yes, a DUNS number). But for VMs specifically, DEP doesn't work anyway - VMs don't have real serial numbers that can be enrolled in Device Enrollment Program. VNC-based setup automation is the only practical option - it's what the ecosystem has converged on for macOS VMs. Lume connects to the VM's VNC server and programmatically tabs, clicks, types through Setup Assistant.
  - arianvanp 8mo ago
    I wish the virtualization framework would allow you to simulate your own MDM stuff. Would be very useful for integration testing MDM implementations themselves...

frabonacci 8mo ago

re: https://github.com/dockur/macos https://github.com/dockur/macos A closer comparison here is Lumier, which provides a "Docker-like" interface to spin up VMs with a noVNC server: https://cua.ai/docs/lume/guide/advanced/lumier/docker https://cua.ai/docs/lume/guide/advanced/lumier/docker The key difference: dockur/macos uses QEMU+KVM, which only works on Linux hosts. It can't run on macOS hardware since Apple doesn't expose KVM. See: https://github.com/dockur/macos/issues/256 https://github.com/dockur/macos/issues/256