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> This is nothing but speculation Did you read the paper?

by __0x01 8mo ago

terminalshort 8mo ago
It's written in the future tense, so I can safely call it speculation. I've read the abstract which is all I need to decide the full text is not worth my time.
- DannyBee 8mo ago
  Cool, then we can safely give your comments exactly the same treatment - since they are completely uninformed speculation about a paper you haven't read.
  - terminalshort 8mo ago
    And you must have read all 40 pages of it, right? Because if not you are a hypocrite. I claim that the Bible is the literal truth. Oh, you haven't read every word of the Bible? Your arguments against me are worthless!
    - DannyBee 8mo ago
      I did actually read all 40 pages of it. I frequently read law journal articles, among with lots of other types of journals and papers. I also used to maintain up to date reading lists of various areas (compiler optimization, for example) because I would read so many of the papers. Let me give you a piece of advice: First, gather facts, then respond. Here you start by sarcastically asserting i wouldn't have read it, but it would generally be better to ask if i read it (fact gathering), and then devise a response based on my answer. Because your assertion is simply wrong, making the rest of it even sillier. As for the strawman about the bible - i'm kinda surprised you are really trying to equate not reading any part of something with not reading every part of something, and really trying to defend what you did here, instead of just owning up to it and moving on. This speaks a lot more about you than anything else. That said - When you make a claim covering that everything in a book is the literal truth, you only have to find a part that is not the literal truth to prove the claim wrong. Which may or may not require reading the entire thing to start (if it turns out your counter-claim is wrong, you at least have to read and find another) In the original comment, you'll note your claim was "This is nothing but speculation" - IE all of the paper is speculation. If we are being accurate, this would require you reading the entire thing to be able to say all of it is speculation. How could you know otherwise? Even if we were being nice, and treat your claim colloquially as meaning "most of it is speculation", this would still require reading some of the paper, which you didn't do either. Perhaps you should just quit while you are behind, and learn that when you screw up, the correct thing to do is say "yeah, i screwed up, i should have read it before saying that", instead of trying to double down on it. Doubling down like this just makes you look worse. As an aside - I was always an avid reader, and very bored in synagogue, so i have read every word of a number of books of the hebrew bible because it was more interesting than paying attention to the sermons.
      - rpdillon 8mo ago
        His criticism that the paper is speculation is spot on. Many of the references don't support the claims they are cited for. It's fascinating to me that you want to argue the poster's standing to make a criticism more than you want to actually discuss the content of the paper.
        UncleMeat 8mo ago
        Its a particularly weird criticism given that Danny is a lawyer and has experience in the CS research community. He is especially well suited to address a criticism that the authors are trying to trick people into thinking their work is a scientific paper, which is plainly a ridiculous criticism.
        rpdillon 8mo ago
        I'd love some clarity on that. The linked page says this: ``` How AI Destroys Institutions 77 UC Law Journal (forthcoming 2026) Boston Univ. School of Law Research Paper No. 5870623 40 Pages Posted: 8 Dec 2025 Last revised: 13 Jan 2026 ``` What exactly is this document? It reads like a heavily cited op-ed, but is coming out of a law school from a professor there and calls itself a "research paper". Very strange. EDIT: I looked up UC Journal of Law, and I think I was misled because I'm not familiar with the domain. They describe themselves as: > Since 1949, UC Law Journal, formerly known as Hastings Law Journal, has published scholarly articles, essays, and student Notes on a broad range of legal topics. With roughly 100 members, UCLJ publishes six issues each year, reaching a large domestic and international audience. Each year, one issue is dedicated to essays and commentary from our annual symposium, which features speakers and panel discussions on an area of current interest and development in the law. So this is congruent with the Journal's normal content (it's an essay), but having the document call itself a "research paper" conjured an inflated expectation about the rigor involved in the analysis, at least for me.
        UncleMeat 8mo ago
        > So this is congruent with the Journal's normal content (it's an essay), but having the document call itself a "research paper" conjured an inflated expectation about the rigor involved in the analysis, at least for me. Right. And I think it is weird that people immediately leapt to this being some sort of deception by the authors and I think it was weird that when a lawyer who has experience in both domains clarified this that people doubled down.
  - rpdillon 8mo ago
    Is he incorrect that the paper is speculating about future events? I don't think it's completely uninformed either. He said that he's read the abstract, which is supposed to give you an impression of the structure of the argument. Why don't you engage with the criticism?
    - somebehemoth 8mo ago
      There is no criticism. He did not read the paper.
      - rpdillon 8mo ago
        I read the entire paper, and his criticism is spot on. I even read through many of the references, which, in my spot checks, don't support the claims in the paper. Very disappointing work, IMHO.
        somebehemoth 8mo ago
        Cool. Perhaps you should have criticized the paper and requested feedback instead of defending someone who did not read the paper!
        rpdillon 8mo ago
        I did both! I'm not concerned with defending anyone, I'm interested in truth. His criticism was sound, and your comments contribute even less to the discussion than his. Very disappointing.
        somebehemoth 8mo ago
        > Is he incorrect that the paper is speculating about future events? I don't think it's completely uninformed either. Most people would say this is a defense of the person, or at least a defense of the person's choice to not read the full paper. It is no fun to debate with intellectual dishonesty.

> This is nothing but speculation Did you read the paper?

by __0x01 8mo ago

> This is nothing but speculation Did you read the paper?

It's written in the future tense, so I can safely call it speculation. I've read the abstract which is all I need to decide the full text is not worth my time.

DannyBee 8mo ago
Cool, then we can safely give your comments exactly the same treatment - since they are completely uninformed speculation about a paper you haven't read.
- terminalshort 8mo ago
  And you must have read all 40 pages of it, right? Because if not you are a hypocrite. I claim that the Bible is the literal truth. Oh, you haven't read every word of the Bible? Your arguments against me are worthless!
  - DannyBee 8mo ago
    I did actually read all 40 pages of it. I frequently read law journal articles, among with lots of other types of journals and papers. I also used to maintain up to date reading lists of various areas (compiler optimization, for example) because I would read so many of the papers. Let me give you a piece of advice: First, gather facts, then respond. Here you start by sarcastically asserting i wouldn't have read it, but it would generally be better to ask if i read it (fact gathering), and then devise a response based on my answer. Because your assertion is simply wrong, making the rest of it even sillier. As for the strawman about the bible - i'm kinda surprised you are really trying to equate not reading any part of something with not reading every part of something, and really trying to defend what you did here, instead of just owning up to it and moving on. This speaks a lot more about you than anything else. That said - When you make a claim covering that everything in a book is the literal truth, you only have to find a part that is not the literal truth to prove the claim wrong. Which may or may not require reading the entire thing to start (if it turns out your counter-claim is wrong, you at least have to read and find another) In the original comment, you'll note your claim was "This is nothing but speculation" - IE all of the paper is speculation. If we are being accurate, this would require you reading the entire thing to be able to say all of it is speculation. How could you know otherwise? Even if we were being nice, and treat your claim colloquially as meaning "most of it is speculation", this would still require reading some of the paper, which you didn't do either. Perhaps you should just quit while you are behind, and learn that when you screw up, the correct thing to do is say "yeah, i screwed up, i should have read it before saying that", instead of trying to double down on it. Doubling down like this just makes you look worse. As an aside - I was always an avid reader, and very bored in synagogue, so i have read every word of a number of books of the hebrew bible because it was more interesting than paying attention to the sermons.
    - rpdillon 8mo ago
      His criticism that the paper is speculation is spot on. Many of the references don't support the claims they are cited for. It's fascinating to me that you want to argue the poster's standing to make a criticism more than you want to actually discuss the content of the paper.
      - UncleMeat 8mo ago
        Its a particularly weird criticism given that Danny is a lawyer and has experience in the CS research community. He is especially well suited to address a criticism that the authors are trying to trick people into thinking their work is a scientific paper, which is plainly a ridiculous criticism.
        rpdillon 8mo ago
        I'd love some clarity on that. The linked page says this: ``` How AI Destroys Institutions 77 UC Law Journal (forthcoming 2026) Boston Univ. School of Law Research Paper No. 5870623 40 Pages Posted: 8 Dec 2025 Last revised: 13 Jan 2026 ``` What exactly is this document? It reads like a heavily cited op-ed, but is coming out of a law school from a professor there and calls itself a "research paper". Very strange. EDIT: I looked up UC Journal of Law, and I think I was misled because I'm not familiar with the domain. They describe themselves as: > Since 1949, UC Law Journal, formerly known as Hastings Law Journal, has published scholarly articles, essays, and student Notes on a broad range of legal topics. With roughly 100 members, UCLJ publishes six issues each year, reaching a large domestic and international audience. Each year, one issue is dedicated to essays and commentary from our annual symposium, which features speakers and panel discussions on an area of current interest and development in the law. So this is congruent with the Journal's normal content (it's an essay), but having the document call itself a "research paper" conjured an inflated expectation about the rigor involved in the analysis, at least for me.
        UncleMeat 8mo ago
        > So this is congruent with the Journal's normal content (it's an essay), but having the document call itself a "research paper" conjured an inflated expectation about the rigor involved in the analysis, at least for me. Right. And I think it is weird that people immediately leapt to this being some sort of deception by the authors and I think it was weird that when a lawyer who has experience in both domains clarified this that people doubled down.
- rpdillon 8mo ago
  Is he incorrect that the paper is speculating about future events? I don't think it's completely uninformed either. He said that he's read the abstract, which is supposed to give you an impression of the structure of the argument. Why don't you engage with the criticism?
  - somebehemoth 8mo ago
    There is no criticism. He did not read the paper.
    - rpdillon 8mo ago
      I read the entire paper, and his criticism is spot on. I even read through many of the references, which, in my spot checks, don't support the claims in the paper. Very disappointing work, IMHO.
      - somebehemoth 8mo ago
        Cool. Perhaps you should have criticized the paper and requested feedback instead of defending someone who did not read the paper!
        rpdillon 8mo ago
        I did both! I'm not concerned with defending anyone, I'm interested in truth. His criticism was sound, and your comments contribute even less to the discussion than his. Very disappointing.
        somebehemoth 8mo ago
        > Is he incorrect that the paper is speculating about future events? I don't think it's completely uninformed either. Most people would say this is a defense of the person, or at least a defense of the person's choice to not read the full paper. It is no fun to debate with intellectual dishonesty.