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That Kotaku piece was a full year after GamerGate, if anything people might question whether it'd have happened if GamerGate hasn't drawn attention to these pro

That Kotaku piece was a full year after GamerGate, if anything people might question whether it'd have happened if GamerGate hasn't drawn attention to these problems.

acdha 8mo ago
GamerGate was still going strong in 2015, and did absolutely nothing to help stories like that. The people attacking journalists don’t get to take credit for their targets’ work.
- FiveOhThree 8mo ago
  I'm sure that the journalists involved would never admit that people putting a spotlight on their bad behaviour made them clean up their act.
  - acdha 8mo ago
    Sexist attacks and lying about an imaginary sex-for-reviews scandal didn’t put a spotlight on anything. It wouldn’t excuse their actions even if they had been doing some real ethics work, but they weren’t even showing up to do productive work. One reason why everyone who actually cared about those issues opposed GamerGate was because it distracted attention from non-imaginary problems and meant that anyone talking about journalistic ethics had to spend time proving they were acting in good faith rather than being part of the hateful mob.
    - FiveOhThree 8mo ago
      I understand that you buy heavily into one side of this narrative, but statements like "everyone who actually cared about those issues opposed GamerGate" come across as naive rather than informed. Sure, the label of GamerGate was clearly made toxic by a combination of bad actors within and the significant smear campaign in the press, but it remains extremely obvious that the gaming community were not happy with the state of the industry.
    - zahlman 8mo ago
      There was no "sex-for-reviews scandal" and nobody "lying about" it. > and meant that anyone talking about journalistic ethics had to spend time proving they were acting in good faith rather than being part of the hateful mob. This is a consequence of the fact that very many people were very obviously not acting in good faith.

That Kotaku piece was a full year after GamerGate, if anything people might question whether it'd have happened if GamerGate hasn't drawn attention to these problems.

acdha 8mo ago

GamerGate was still going strong in 2015, and did absolutely nothing to help stories like that. The people attacking journalists don’t get to take credit for their targets’ work.

FiveOhThree 8mo ago
I'm sure that the journalists involved would never admit that people putting a spotlight on their bad behaviour made them clean up their act.
- acdha 8mo ago
  Sexist attacks and lying about an imaginary sex-for-reviews scandal didn’t put a spotlight on anything. It wouldn’t excuse their actions even if they had been doing some real ethics work, but they weren’t even showing up to do productive work. One reason why everyone who actually cared about those issues opposed GamerGate was because it distracted attention from non-imaginary problems and meant that anyone talking about journalistic ethics had to spend time proving they were acting in good faith rather than being part of the hateful mob.
  - FiveOhThree 8mo ago
    I understand that you buy heavily into one side of this narrative, but statements like "everyone who actually cared about those issues opposed GamerGate" come across as naive rather than informed. Sure, the label of GamerGate was clearly made toxic by a combination of bad actors within and the significant smear campaign in the press, but it remains extremely obvious that the gaming community were not happy with the state of the industry.
  - zahlman 8mo ago
    There was no "sex-for-reviews scandal" and nobody "lying about" it. > and meant that anyone talking about journalistic ethics had to spend time proving they were acting in good faith rather than being part of the hateful mob. This is a consequence of the fact that very many people were very obviously not acting in good faith.