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I've used wireguard for a while, not sure why I never considered doing BGP over it, might make for a fun weekend project.
by ghxst 8mo ago
I've used wireguard for a while, not sure why I never considered doing BGP over it, might make for a fun weekend project.
- tucnak 8mo agoBGP is vastly superior to any L2 make-believe trash you can imagine, and amazingly, it often has better hardware offloading support for forwarding and firewalls. For example, 100G switches (L3+) like MikroTik's CRS504 do not support IPv6 in hardware for VXLAN-encapsulated flows, but everything just works if you choose to go the BGP route. L2 is a total waste of time.
- iscoelho 8mo agoAny ASIC switch released in the last decade from Cisco/Juniper/Arista supports EVPN/VXLAN in hardware. EVPN is built on BGP. This has become the industry standard for new enterprise and cloud deployments. The lack of support for hardware EVPN is one of the many reasons that Mikrotik is not considered for professional deployments.
- hdgvhicv 8mo agoMikrotik is used for professional deployments all over the world. Right tool for the right job. People who think one size fits all are not professional.
- iscoelho 8mo agoIf I can source an enterprise Cisco/Juniper/Arista ASIC switch that is 1) rock-solid 2) full featured 3) cheaper - which I can - there is unfortunately no rationale where Mikrotik would be applicable in any professional project of mine. With that said, I love Mikrotik for what it is: it is very approachable and it fills a niche. I believe it has added a lot of value to the industry and I'm excited to see their products mature.
- tucnak 8mo agoYou're delusional on price. I wouldn't touch severely overpriced and backdoored American switches with a 10-foot pole! Meanwhile, MikroTik just released a 400G switch in under two grand. To buy Cisco/Juniper/Arista with your own money in 2025 you have to be super rich and super stupid. And I say this as a guy that buys 100G stuff from Xilinx.
- iscoelho 8mo agoI have not seen a case where I could not source a Juniper switch (for example) for lower $/port than Mikrotik, even at 400GE. It is unheard of to pay MSRP. YMMV.
- hdgvhicv 8mo agoBased on the lldp messages I see across dozens of countries, the majority of business isps globally use mikrotiks at their edge.
- iscoelho 8mo agoI'm curious what you classify as a business ISP? Take a look at AMS-IX, one of the largest internet exchanges: https://bgp.tools/ixp/AMS-IX https://bgp.tools/ixp/AMS-IX 21/1020 (2%) of all peers are Mikrotik. 15 (1.4%) of those are >=1000mbps. 7 (0.6%) of those are 10gbps. None are larger than 10gbps.
- hdgvhicv 8mo agoThose selling end services to businesses. I have a mix of equipment from heavyweight juniper mxs at peeing points to arista dcs/ccs in large sites to £50 mikrotiks in the smallest branch offices. Right tool for the right job, mikrotik is often but not always the right tool.
- iscoelho 8mo agoMikrotik can be popular for CE (Customer Edge) devices, that is correct. Those are not ISPs however, those are customers.