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Sorry for an empty response but this, 100% this. As a person who is WELL over 6' tall, the very idea that the person in front of me might recline is enough to g

by sp8 8mo ago

Sorry for an empty response but this, 100% this. As a person who is WELL over 6' tall, the very idea that the person in front of me might recline is enough to give me significant anxiety throughout a flight. I once saw a design for seats where the base slides forward if you want to recline - the idea being, if you're going to recline you're going to do so into your own space, not the person behind you. I'd be a big advocate of that change in seat design...

Ajedi32 8mo ago
I'm also over 6' and I don't understand the problem? The seats only recline a few degrees, it's not like they're laying on my lap! Even fully reclined there's plenty of space in front of my face, and leg room is barely impacted at all. (Like probably an inch max?) Granted, I've only flown American and Delta, maybe other airlines are worse in this respect?
- kaffekaka 8mo ago
  6ft plus too, I agree with GP, definitely a problem for me when the seat in front reclines. My legs are proportionately longer than my upper body which increases the negative effect.
  - Ajedi32 8mo ago
    Why does leg length matter? Reclining doesn't impact leg room much since only the upper part of the seat is moving backwards any significant distance, and the space under the seat where my feet go is completely unaffected. Are your legs so long you have to sit with your knees pressed against the back of the seat in front of you or something? If so I suppose that's understandable.
    - kaffekaka 8mo ago
      Yes, my knees often/always bump into the seat in front of me, even without it being reclined. If/when it is reclined it means my knees are pressed harder backwards. When I can, I pay for extra leg room or get an aisle seat. My opinion is strongly that seats should not be reclined. It is inconsiderate.
      - Ajedi32 8mo ago
        I agree that sounds frustrating. Respectfully though, it sounds like you're a special case and that's not a problem which would apply to most people. But maybe in the future I'll make a point of checking whether the person behind me is in the 95th percentile of adult male heights before reclining.
        lostlogin 8mo ago
        > I agree that sounds frustrating. Respectfully though, it sounds like you're a special case It would be interesting to know the numbers on this. Height is not going to tell the answer though, you as people of the same height have wildly variably limb length. I know half a dozen people who have the same issue and they vary from 1.9-2.1m tall. I don't work in a circus.
        Ajedi32 8mo ago
        1.9m is 6' 3", already in the 93rd percentile of US adult males according to this chart. https://preview.redd.it/oruqlgczepp91.png?auto=webp&s=cb797fc1f49b952bd53e0442bf20ce30f1fca51f https://preview.redd.it/oruqlgczepp91.png?auto=webp&s=cb797f... 2.1m is in the 99th percentile. Maybe you just have a lot of very tall friends.
        lostlogin 8mo ago
        Maybe. I used to like being tall, but seeing a colleague use a fixed height desk as a standing desk has made me reconsider. Short people would seem likely to be comfortable in more places.
        Ajedi32 8mo ago
        I think once you get past the 95th percentile in any metric like that things start to get more difficult. I'm not even that tall and I sometimes have trouble finding pants that fit me. I imagine there are probably similar difficulties on the other end of the spectrum being below the 5th percentile.
    - 83 8mo ago
      My legs are long enough there isn't room for them to press against the back of the seat. I'm either manspreading into the crevases between seats or in foetal position with my knees halfway up the seat in front of me. A person reclining is excruciating in the former, but in the latter position at least the person in front can't recline as there's no physical space for my body to become more compact. Flying is hell.
    - royskee 8mo ago
      "Are your legs so long you have to sit with your knees pressed against the back of the seat in front of you or something? If so I suppose that's understandable." Yes and also for people with long legs, seated in a typical airline seat, their knees will be significantly higher than the top of the seat cushion. So, they get caught up in the sweep of a reclining seatback ahead.
    - lostlogin 8mo ago
      > Are your legs so long you have to sit with your knees pressed against the back of the seat in front of you or something? Not OP. Yes.
- Delphiki 8mo ago
  I'm 6'4" with a lot of my height in my legs. Sitting comfortably (not slouching, mind you), my knees already barely rub against the seat in front of me. As soon as that seat is reclined, my knees get crushed and I have to either sit up even straighter or twist to the side, neither of which are comfortable. Or, I have to pay to be in a higher fare class with more space.
  - dylan604 8mo ago
    Have you tried the exit row instead? Sure, you might have to agree to help others, but if you aren't willing to do that regardless of the row, then that just says a lot about you.
    - Ajedi32 8mo ago
      Many airlines don't let you choose your seat without paying extra. But yeah, maybe if you're that tall that's just an unfortunate extra cost you have to bear.
      - dylan604 8mo ago
        At some point you have to do the math. Is +$25 for the extra leg room worth it for a 3 hour flight? 6 hour flight? I flew from DFW to Sydney on a flight that was not fully booked. They made an announcement for a $150 upgrade to have an entire row to yourself. Once in the air, all of the armrests could be raised to allow you to lay flat. $150/17hours ~= $9/hour for a comfortable-ish sleep on a long haul flight. That's better math than the app subscription model threads have.
    - Delphiki 8mo ago
      Yepp, I generally will try for the exit row or the first row in a section (sacrificing no under seat storage), but they tend to be the first seats booked. Since I'm usually traveling with multiple other people and we prefer sitting together, it makes it pretty difficult to reliably select those seats with extra leg room. I haven't seen any airlines that charge "+$25 for the extra leg room" on 12+ hour international flights, but if they exist I'd love to know which ones they are!
- amalcon 8mo ago
  Those few degrees matter if your knees are already brushing the back of the seat in front of you. It matters how tall you are, how much of that is in your legs, how big your feet are (the more you need to bend your knees, the higher they will be), and it also varies depending on seat design and layout. For others like me, one trick is to at most minimally use the under seat storage: small handbags only. No backpacks, briefcases, or anything else big enough to hold a laptop. Then, you can put your feet in that space. This lowers my knees by 1-2 inches depending on the plane, which really matters. It's the only thing that helps significantly, aside from paying for premium economy. Doesn't help with the claustrophobia, but there's not much to be done about that. The other things I've tried (that don't reliably work) are leaning forward from the seat back (to pull my knees back) and slouching slightly (so that the inevitable recline compresses the seat back into my knees rather than bashing them). The former saves my knees, but sacrifices my back. The latter kind of helps during the flight, but walking will still hurt the next day.
  - Ajedi32 8mo ago
    > one trick is to at most minimally use the under seat storage [...] Then, you can put your feet in that space Oh, interesting. I've always done that, it never really occurred to me that others might not. Even if you have a bigger bag you can always take it out during the flight to make space for your feet. That, plus crossing my legs allows me to have my legs flat against the chair (and therefore my knees well below the level where the person in front reclining would make much difference).
    - amalcon 8mo ago
      Well, it can be annoying to limit oneself to a smaller under-seat bag. Taking the bigger bag out during the flight uses up even more of the available space. I've generally got nowhere to put it except behind my legs (which cramps things a lot): on my lap doesn't work if I want to actually use anything in that bag. It's easier to just pack my laptop (plus anything I might use during the flight) in my overhead bin carry-on. It's a real pain to actually get anything out of there, but a paperback book or ebook reader will fit in a coat pocket or small handbag -- and that's all I truly need on the plane. Plus, the airline won't be able to force you to check your overhead carry-on that way since the laptop has lithium batteries in it.
paranoidrobot 8mo ago
good news: that seat design is available and some airlines use it.
- dylan604 8mo ago
  > some airlines use it. and there lies the rub.
lostlogin 8mo ago
I’m a shade under 2m tall. If I put my knees together and sit up straight (back hard against my seat), my knees are hard against the seat in front. They can’t recline. It doesn’t even hurt, the seat just won’t move. Last flight someone turned around and complained then complained to the stewardess. I’m not sticking my legs into my neighbours space, am the time I extended into the aisle I fell asleep and got knee capped by a trolley. ‘Where would you like me to put my legs?’ I’m writing this from a plane seat, having paid for extra room and having been bumped by the airline. That’s nz$1000 gone and 17 hours of misery. Qatar. Never again. Aside: I also don’t recline without any empty seat or sleeping person behind.

by sp8 8mo ago

Ajedi32 8mo ago

I'm also over 6' and I don't understand the problem? The seats only recline a few degrees, it's not like they're laying on my lap! Even fully reclined there's plenty of space in front of my face, and leg room is barely impacted at all. (Like probably an inch max?) Granted, I've only flown American and Delta, maybe other airlines are worse in this respect?

kaffekaka 8mo ago
6ft plus too, I agree with GP, definitely a problem for me when the seat in front reclines. My legs are proportionately longer than my upper body which increases the negative effect.
- Ajedi32 8mo ago
  Why does leg length matter? Reclining doesn't impact leg room much since only the upper part of the seat is moving backwards any significant distance, and the space under the seat where my feet go is completely unaffected. Are your legs so long you have to sit with your knees pressed against the back of the seat in front of you or something? If so I suppose that's understandable.
  - kaffekaka 8mo ago
    Yes, my knees often/always bump into the seat in front of me, even without it being reclined. If/when it is reclined it means my knees are pressed harder backwards. When I can, I pay for extra leg room or get an aisle seat. My opinion is strongly that seats should not be reclined. It is inconsiderate.
    - Ajedi32 8mo ago
      I agree that sounds frustrating. Respectfully though, it sounds like you're a special case and that's not a problem which would apply to most people. But maybe in the future I'll make a point of checking whether the person behind me is in the 95th percentile of adult male heights before reclining.
      - lostlogin 8mo ago
        > I agree that sounds frustrating. Respectfully though, it sounds like you're a special case It would be interesting to know the numbers on this. Height is not going to tell the answer though, you as people of the same height have wildly variably limb length. I know half a dozen people who have the same issue and they vary from 1.9-2.1m tall. I don't work in a circus.
        Ajedi32 8mo ago
        1.9m is 6' 3", already in the 93rd percentile of US adult males according to this chart. https://preview.redd.it/oruqlgczepp91.png?auto=webp&s=cb797fc1f49b952bd53e0442bf20ce30f1fca51f https://preview.redd.it/oruqlgczepp91.png?auto=webp&s=cb797f... 2.1m is in the 99th percentile. Maybe you just have a lot of very tall friends.
        lostlogin 8mo ago
        Maybe. I used to like being tall, but seeing a colleague use a fixed height desk as a standing desk has made me reconsider. Short people would seem likely to be comfortable in more places.
        Ajedi32 8mo ago
        I think once you get past the 95th percentile in any metric like that things start to get more difficult. I'm not even that tall and I sometimes have trouble finding pants that fit me. I imagine there are probably similar difficulties on the other end of the spectrum being below the 5th percentile.
  - 83 8mo ago
    My legs are long enough there isn't room for them to press against the back of the seat. I'm either manspreading into the crevases between seats or in foetal position with my knees halfway up the seat in front of me. A person reclining is excruciating in the former, but in the latter position at least the person in front can't recline as there's no physical space for my body to become more compact. Flying is hell.
  - royskee 8mo ago
    "Are your legs so long you have to sit with your knees pressed against the back of the seat in front of you or something? If so I suppose that's understandable." Yes and also for people with long legs, seated in a typical airline seat, their knees will be significantly higher than the top of the seat cushion. So, they get caught up in the sweep of a reclining seatback ahead.
  - lostlogin 8mo ago
    > Are your legs so long you have to sit with your knees pressed against the back of the seat in front of you or something? Not OP. Yes.
Delphiki 8mo ago
I'm 6'4" with a lot of my height in my legs. Sitting comfortably (not slouching, mind you), my knees already barely rub against the seat in front of me. As soon as that seat is reclined, my knees get crushed and I have to either sit up even straighter or twist to the side, neither of which are comfortable. Or, I have to pay to be in a higher fare class with more space.
- dylan604 8mo ago
  Have you tried the exit row instead? Sure, you might have to agree to help others, but if you aren't willing to do that regardless of the row, then that just says a lot about you.
  - Ajedi32 8mo ago
    Many airlines don't let you choose your seat without paying extra. But yeah, maybe if you're that tall that's just an unfortunate extra cost you have to bear.
    - dylan604 8mo ago
      At some point you have to do the math. Is +$25 for the extra leg room worth it for a 3 hour flight? 6 hour flight? I flew from DFW to Sydney on a flight that was not fully booked. They made an announcement for a $150 upgrade to have an entire row to yourself. Once in the air, all of the armrests could be raised to allow you to lay flat. $150/17hours ~= $9/hour for a comfortable-ish sleep on a long haul flight. That's better math than the app subscription model threads have.
  - Delphiki 8mo ago
    Yepp, I generally will try for the exit row or the first row in a section (sacrificing no under seat storage), but they tend to be the first seats booked. Since I'm usually traveling with multiple other people and we prefer sitting together, it makes it pretty difficult to reliably select those seats with extra leg room. I haven't seen any airlines that charge "+$25 for the extra leg room" on 12+ hour international flights, but if they exist I'd love to know which ones they are!
amalcon 8mo ago
Those few degrees matter if your knees are already brushing the back of the seat in front of you. It matters how tall you are, how much of that is in your legs, how big your feet are (the more you need to bend your knees, the higher they will be), and it also varies depending on seat design and layout. For others like me, one trick is to at most minimally use the under seat storage: small handbags only. No backpacks, briefcases, or anything else big enough to hold a laptop. Then, you can put your feet in that space. This lowers my knees by 1-2 inches depending on the plane, which really matters. It's the only thing that helps significantly, aside from paying for premium economy. Doesn't help with the claustrophobia, but there's not much to be done about that. The other things I've tried (that don't reliably work) are leaning forward from the seat back (to pull my knees back) and slouching slightly (so that the inevitable recline compresses the seat back into my knees rather than bashing them). The former saves my knees, but sacrifices my back. The latter kind of helps during the flight, but walking will still hurt the next day.
- Ajedi32 8mo ago
  > one trick is to at most minimally use the under seat storage [...] Then, you can put your feet in that space Oh, interesting. I've always done that, it never really occurred to me that others might not. Even if you have a bigger bag you can always take it out during the flight to make space for your feet. That, plus crossing my legs allows me to have my legs flat against the chair (and therefore my knees well below the level where the person in front reclining would make much difference).
  - amalcon 8mo ago
    Well, it can be annoying to limit oneself to a smaller under-seat bag. Taking the bigger bag out during the flight uses up even more of the available space. I've generally got nowhere to put it except behind my legs (which cramps things a lot): on my lap doesn't work if I want to actually use anything in that bag. It's easier to just pack my laptop (plus anything I might use during the flight) in my overhead bin carry-on. It's a real pain to actually get anything out of there, but a paperback book or ebook reader will fit in a coat pocket or small handbag -- and that's all I truly need on the plane. Plus, the airline won't be able to force you to check your overhead carry-on that way since the laptop has lithium batteries in it.

paranoidrobot 8mo ago

good news: that seat design is available and some airlines use it.

dylan604 8mo ago
> some airlines use it. and there lies the rub.

lostlogin 8mo ago

I’m a shade under 2m tall. If I put my knees together and sit up straight (back hard against my seat), my knees are hard against the seat in front. They can’t recline. It doesn’t even hurt, the seat just won’t move. Last flight someone turned around and complained then complained to the stewardess. I’m not sticking my legs into my neighbours space, am the time I extended into the aisle I fell asleep and got knee capped by a trolley. ‘Where would you like me to put my legs?’ I’m writing this from a plane seat, having paid for extra room and having been bumped by the airline. That’s nz$1000 gone and 17 hours of misery. Qatar. Never again. Aside: I also don’t recline without any empty seat or sleeping person behind.