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LLMs are just a concept, an abstraction. A data type for storing data. The actual problem is political. Has nothing to do with LLMs.

zephen 8mo ago
> LLMs are just a concept, an abstraction. A data type for storing data. C'mon. You know good and well that what is being discussed is the _use_ of LLMs, with the concomitant heavy usage of CPU, storage, and bandwidth that the average user has no hope of matching.
- Altern4tiveAcc 8mo ago
  > You know good and well that what is being discussed is the _use_ of LLMs Not the person you're replying to, but I've found that some people do argue against LLMs themselves (as in, the tech, not just the usage). Specially in humanities/arts cycles which seem to have a stronger feeling of panic towards LLMs. Clarifying which one you're talking about can save a lot of typing/talking some times.
  - zephen 8mo ago
    > I've found that some people do argue against LLMs themselves (as in, the tech, not just the usage). Specially in humanities/arts cycles which seem to have a stronger feeling of panic towards LLMs. Maybe? The person I responded to said "LLMs are just a concept, an abstraction." Were that true, were they simply words in some dusty CS textbook, it's hardly likely that the humanities/arts people you describe would even know about them. No, it's the fact that these people have seen regurgitated pictures and words that makes it an issue.
- venndeezl 8mo ago
  Nah it's the use of massive amounts of resources to run data centers. A political problem.
  - zephen 8mo ago
    If LLMs weren't sucking up all the resources, bitcoin would be. Which, yes, is partly a resource/political problem, but there are additional arguments against the use of those resources for LLMs.
Larrikin 8mo ago
Those are meaningless words when you know the discussion is about LLMs taking in people's intellectual property and selling it back.
- venndeezl 8mo ago
  Nah that's still a political resource allocation problem Don't let politics allocate resources to massive data center projects

zephen 8mo ago

> LLMs are just a concept, an abstraction. A data type for storing data. C'mon. You know good and well that what is being discussed is the _use_ of LLMs, with the concomitant heavy usage of CPU, storage, and bandwidth that the average user has no hope of matching.

Altern4tiveAcc 8mo ago
> You know good and well that what is being discussed is the _use_ of LLMs Not the person you're replying to, but I've found that some people do argue against LLMs themselves (as in, the tech, not just the usage). Specially in humanities/arts cycles which seem to have a stronger feeling of panic towards LLMs. Clarifying which one you're talking about can save a lot of typing/talking some times.
- zephen 8mo ago
  > I've found that some people do argue against LLMs themselves (as in, the tech, not just the usage). Specially in humanities/arts cycles which seem to have a stronger feeling of panic towards LLMs. Maybe? The person I responded to said "LLMs are just a concept, an abstraction." Were that true, were they simply words in some dusty CS textbook, it's hardly likely that the humanities/arts people you describe would even know about them. No, it's the fact that these people have seen regurgitated pictures and words that makes it an issue.
venndeezl 8mo ago
Nah it's the use of massive amounts of resources to run data centers. A political problem.
- zephen 8mo ago
  If LLMs weren't sucking up all the resources, bitcoin would be. Which, yes, is partly a resource/political problem, but there are additional arguments against the use of those resources for LLMs.

Larrikin 8mo ago

Those are meaningless words when you know the discussion is about LLMs taking in people's intellectual property and selling it back.

venndeezl 8mo ago
Nah that's still a political resource allocation problem Don't let politics allocate resources to massive data center projects