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Sharing the land with another group of people who are also from the region would not be "giving up their homeland".

cess11 8mo ago
Sharing the land with european colonists that used terrorism and ethnic cleansing to remove and to a lesser extent subjugate the native population? Why would they?
- FunnyUsername 8mo ago
  If you're suggesting that a peoples' right to live in their homeland is forfeited as a result of immigration, terrorism or ethnic cleansing, that would be bad news for Palestinians. Gaza and WB Area A are Jew-free zones, and there were around 30k rocket attacks from Gaza alone.
  - cess11 8mo ago
    Quite the opposite, I'm suggesting the palestinians still have a right to their homelands even though europeans have settled, terrorised and displaced them. Yeah, what about "rocket attacks"? Are they somehow more devastating than the US-israeli armory? If someone spits in front of my feet, then I can have them watch while I beat their family to death?
    - UltraSane 8mo ago
      It is really despicable the way people like you completely dismiss Hamas atrocities like what they did on Oct 7 2023 when 1,219 people were killed by the attacks: at least 810 civilians (including 38 children and 71 foreign nationals) and at least 379 members of the security forces. 364 civilians were killed while they were attending the Nova music festival and many more wounded. Israel exists and the Palestinians will never be able to defeat it and they are very stupid for trying and failing for 76 years.
- UltraSane 8mo ago
  Arabs moved there from elsewhere also.
- UltraSane 8mo ago
  The explicit goal of Hamas is the ethnic cleansing of Israel of all Jews.
  - cess11 8mo ago
    No, it is not. Here's Ahmed Yassin on the issue: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DY0O9O9xR2Q https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DY0O9O9xR2Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFuIbjxXC9k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFuIbjxXC9k He was assassinated by the israelis, who were actually doing ethnic cleansing for decades before that. It's weird how you care more about some future atrocity you fantasise about than actual atrocities.
    - UltraSane 8mo ago
      Hamas's official position, expressed in its original 1988 charter and repeatedly affirmed by many of its leaders' statements and actions (including the October 7, 2023 attack), is to destroy the state of Israel and establish an Islamic state in its place "from the river to the sea". The 1988 charter explicitly called for the killing of Jews as a religious duty.

Sharing the land with european colonists that used terrorism and ethnic cleansing to remove and to a lesser extent subjugate the native population? Why would they?

FunnyUsername 8mo ago
If you're suggesting that a peoples' right to live in their homeland is forfeited as a result of immigration, terrorism or ethnic cleansing, that would be bad news for Palestinians. Gaza and WB Area A are Jew-free zones, and there were around 30k rocket attacks from Gaza alone.
- cess11 8mo ago
  Quite the opposite, I'm suggesting the palestinians still have a right to their homelands even though europeans have settled, terrorised and displaced them. Yeah, what about "rocket attacks"? Are they somehow more devastating than the US-israeli armory? If someone spits in front of my feet, then I can have them watch while I beat their family to death?
  - UltraSane 8mo ago
    It is really despicable the way people like you completely dismiss Hamas atrocities like what they did on Oct 7 2023 when 1,219 people were killed by the attacks: at least 810 civilians (including 38 children and 71 foreign nationals) and at least 379 members of the security forces. 364 civilians were killed while they were attending the Nova music festival and many more wounded. Israel exists and the Palestinians will never be able to defeat it and they are very stupid for trying and failing for 76 years.
UltraSane 8mo ago
Arabs moved there from elsewhere also.
UltraSane 8mo ago
The explicit goal of Hamas is the ethnic cleansing of Israel of all Jews.
- cess11 8mo ago
  No, it is not. Here's Ahmed Yassin on the issue: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DY0O9O9xR2Q https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DY0O9O9xR2Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFuIbjxXC9k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFuIbjxXC9k He was assassinated by the israelis, who were actually doing ethnic cleansing for decades before that. It's weird how you care more about some future atrocity you fantasise about than actual atrocities.
  - UltraSane 8mo ago
    Hamas's official position, expressed in its original 1988 charter and repeatedly affirmed by many of its leaders' statements and actions (including the October 7, 2023 attack), is to destroy the state of Israel and establish an Islamic state in its place "from the river to the sea". The 1988 charter explicitly called for the killing of Jews as a religious duty.