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I hear after the Ukraine war, Starlink became very good at thwarting jamming. I am confident the Iranians are not as sophisticated as the Russians in than front

by falaki 8mo ago

I hear after the Ukraine war, Starlink became very good at thwarting jamming. I am confident the Iranians are not as sophisticated as the Russians in than front.

ReptileMan 8mo ago
The Russians are themselves heavy users of starlink.
- null_deref 8mo ago
  Can you provide a source for this claim?
  - esseph 8mo ago
    Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russian-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russian-Ukrain... Scroll down to Russian use. Starlink receivers have been found in use in drones by both sides in the war. There's a lot of Open Source intel on this.
    - m4rtink 8mo ago
      I guess it is to a degree unavoidable - ukrainian units are using a lot of crowdfunded starlink terminals on the front, so even if you geo fenced usage only to the virtual cells outside of Russia controlled territory, you would also disable ukrainian sets at the front. So if Russians smuggle sets from other countries, they might not be really easy to tell from the "good" sets crowdsourced by the ukrainians and used at the front. As for use in long range strike UAVs I'm sure ukrainian units have specially registered units that will work anywhere but again, Russian long range kamikaze drones you have a smuggled unit that only activates once on ukrainian territory and be used for terminal guidance or reconnaissance. By the time the system spots a new terminal moving quickly in the wrong place the thing would have rammed into a civilian building somewhere.
      - rasz 8mo ago
        It doesnt matter where starlink terminals came from, all end up registered with Ukrainian MOD. Btw Poland pays subscription on ~50K of those.
  - iammjm 8mo ago
    Here, have a video of the russian cavalry with a Starlink attached to a horse. Yes, you have read that right. 2026 btw. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1q7ii52/russian_soldiers_have_now_equipped_their_horses/ https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1q7i... Also: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/01/08/russia-satellite-dishes-horses-battlefield-internet/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/01/08/russia-sat...
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  - TiredOfLife 8mo ago
    Just the latest one https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2009240533944947050 https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2009240533944947050
    - lostlogin 8mo ago
      Twitter is a good source for this sort of evidence. It’s Musk, all the way down.
  - nfriedly 8mo ago
    Not the person you asked, but here's a couple of sources that back that claim: https://www.newsweek.com/russia-starlink-ukraine-gur-elon-musk-1868839 https://www.newsweek.com/russia-starlink-ukraine-gur-elon-mu... https://kyivindependent.com/nearly-half-of-usaid-starlink-terminals-sent-to-ukraine-found-in-russian-occupied-areas-inspector-general-says/ https://kyivindependent.com/nearly-half-of-usaid-starlink-te... Also, as I understand it, a big part of the reason USAID was fed "into the woodchipper" was because they were investigating SpaceX over Russian use of Starlink - see https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-enemy-usaid-was-investigating-starlink-over-its-contracts-in-ukraine-2000559365 https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-enemy-usaid-was-investigating...
    - runlaszlorun 8mo ago
      Thx for posting the USAID article. The brazenness of it all is astonishing. Thank God for the incompetence. It's like we're doing "Clown Show Mussolini".
    - JasonADrury 8mo ago
      >Also, as I understand it, a big part of the reason USAID was fed "into the woodchipper" was because they were investigating SpaceX over Russian use of Starlink - see https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-enemy-usaid-was-investigating https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-enemy-usaid-was-investigating... The article you linked contains literally nothing supporting your accusation. Instead, it talks about an investigation targeting the aid recipient: >The USAID Office of Inspector General, Inspections and Evaluations Division, is initiating an inspection of USAID’s oversight of Starlink satellite terminals provided to the Government of Ukraine. Our objectives are to determine how (1) the Government of Ukraine used the USAID-provided Starlink terminals, and (2) USAID monitored the Government of Ukraine’s use of USAID-provided Starlink terminals
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- zamadatix 8mo ago
  The original claim: > The biography, due out on Tuesday, alleges Musk ordered Starlink engineers to turn off service in the area of the attack because of his concern that Vladimir Putin would respond with nuclear weapons to a Ukrainian attack on Russian-occupied Crimea. He is reported to have said that Ukraine was “going too far” in threatening to inflict a “strategic defeat” on the Kremlin. The amendment on the article: > This article was amended on 14 September 2023 to add an update to the subheading. As the Guardian reported on 12 September 2023, following the publication of this article, Walter Isaacson retracted the claim in his biography of Elon Musk that the SpaceX CEO had secretly told engineers to switch off Starlink coverage of the Crimean coast. So maybe Starlink did turn it off or maybe it was just jammed in some way or maybe, well... anything really. All this says is the source retracts the claim and The Guardian doesn't clarify beyond that. Edit: if you click the hyperlink for the name it actually clarifies it as a full on mistake in where there would be coverage.
  - bpavuk 8mo ago
    there are enough Ukrainian sources that did not retract the claim. one of them might point to the original source outside Guardian, but I'm too lazy to search ¯ \ _ ( ツ ) _ / ¯ you might start with Mezha, Channel 24, and TSN. arm yourself with a translator.
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    - zamadatix 8mo ago
      It was the original author who issued the retraction, The Guardian just had enough credibility to follow up on that. That other news organizations lacked retractions does not make the original reporting of the author's claim any less retracted. If there are reports showing the retraction was bogus and there was separate proof contradicting the original author's retraction that would be something else of course, but you can't just say "I swear you'll find them, just keep looking harder!" or anyone could just make any claim up they wanted. Thanks to mcintyre1994 for noting the link in the retraction does actually go into the details of why the author retracted the claim https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/sep/12/elon-musk-biographer-admits-suggestion-spacex-head-blocked-ukraine-drone-attack-was-wrong https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/sep/12/elon-musk-biog...
lostlogin 8mo ago
> Starlink became very good at thwarting jamming. Musk proved quite good at blocking Ukrainian Starlink access too, supporting Russia. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66752264 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66752264

by falaki 8mo ago

I hear after the Ukraine war, Starlink became very good at thwarting jamming. I am confident the Iranians are not as sophisticated as the Russians in than front.

ReptileMan 8mo ago

The Russians are themselves heavy users of starlink.

null_deref 8mo ago
Can you provide a source for this claim?
- esseph 8mo ago
  Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russian-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russian-Ukrain... Scroll down to Russian use. Starlink receivers have been found in use in drones by both sides in the war. There's a lot of Open Source intel on this.
  - m4rtink 8mo ago
    I guess it is to a degree unavoidable - ukrainian units are using a lot of crowdfunded starlink terminals on the front, so even if you geo fenced usage only to the virtual cells outside of Russia controlled territory, you would also disable ukrainian sets at the front. So if Russians smuggle sets from other countries, they might not be really easy to tell from the "good" sets crowdsourced by the ukrainians and used at the front. As for use in long range strike UAVs I'm sure ukrainian units have specially registered units that will work anywhere but again, Russian long range kamikaze drones you have a smuggled unit that only activates once on ukrainian territory and be used for terminal guidance or reconnaissance. By the time the system spots a new terminal moving quickly in the wrong place the thing would have rammed into a civilian building somewhere.
    - rasz 8mo ago
      It doesnt matter where starlink terminals came from, all end up registered with Ukrainian MOD. Btw Poland pays subscription on ~50K of those.
- iammjm 8mo ago
  Here, have a video of the russian cavalry with a Starlink attached to a horse. Yes, you have read that right. 2026 btw. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1q7ii52/russian_soldiers_have_now_equipped_their_horses/ https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1q7i... Also: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/01/08/russia-satellite-dishes-horses-battlefield-internet/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/01/08/russia-sat...
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- TiredOfLife 8mo ago
  Just the latest one https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2009240533944947050 https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2009240533944947050
  - lostlogin 8mo ago
    Twitter is a good source for this sort of evidence. It’s Musk, all the way down.
- nfriedly 8mo ago
  Not the person you asked, but here's a couple of sources that back that claim: https://www.newsweek.com/russia-starlink-ukraine-gur-elon-musk-1868839 https://www.newsweek.com/russia-starlink-ukraine-gur-elon-mu... https://kyivindependent.com/nearly-half-of-usaid-starlink-terminals-sent-to-ukraine-found-in-russian-occupied-areas-inspector-general-says/ https://kyivindependent.com/nearly-half-of-usaid-starlink-te... Also, as I understand it, a big part of the reason USAID was fed "into the woodchipper" was because they were investigating SpaceX over Russian use of Starlink - see https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-enemy-usaid-was-investigating-starlink-over-its-contracts-in-ukraine-2000559365 https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-enemy-usaid-was-investigating...
  - runlaszlorun 8mo ago
    Thx for posting the USAID article. The brazenness of it all is astonishing. Thank God for the incompetence. It's like we're doing "Clown Show Mussolini".
  - JasonADrury 8mo ago
    >Also, as I understand it, a big part of the reason USAID was fed "into the woodchipper" was because they were investigating SpaceX over Russian use of Starlink - see https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-enemy-usaid-was-investigating https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-enemy-usaid-was-investigating... The article you linked contains literally nothing supporting your accusation. Instead, it talks about an investigation targeting the aid recipient: >The USAID Office of Inspector General, Inspections and Evaluations Division, is initiating an inspection of USAID’s oversight of Starlink satellite terminals provided to the Government of Ukraine. Our objectives are to determine how (1) the Government of Ukraine used the USAID-provided Starlink terminals, and (2) USAID monitored the Government of Ukraine’s use of USAID-provided Starlink terminals
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zamadatix 8mo ago
The original claim: > The biography, due out on Tuesday, alleges Musk ordered Starlink engineers to turn off service in the area of the attack because of his concern that Vladimir Putin would respond with nuclear weapons to a Ukrainian attack on Russian-occupied Crimea. He is reported to have said that Ukraine was “going too far” in threatening to inflict a “strategic defeat” on the Kremlin. The amendment on the article: > This article was amended on 14 September 2023 to add an update to the subheading. As the Guardian reported on 12 September 2023, following the publication of this article, Walter Isaacson retracted the claim in his biography of Elon Musk that the SpaceX CEO had secretly told engineers to switch off Starlink coverage of the Crimean coast. So maybe Starlink did turn it off or maybe it was just jammed in some way or maybe, well... anything really. All this says is the source retracts the claim and The Guardian doesn't clarify beyond that. Edit: if you click the hyperlink for the name it actually clarifies it as a full on mistake in where there would be coverage.
- bpavuk 8mo ago
  there are enough Ukrainian sources that did not retract the claim. one of them might point to the original source outside Guardian, but I'm too lazy to search ¯ \ _ ( ツ ) _ / ¯ you might start with Mezha, Channel 24, and TSN. arm yourself with a translator.
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  - zamadatix 8mo ago
    It was the original author who issued the retraction, The Guardian just had enough credibility to follow up on that. That other news organizations lacked retractions does not make the original reporting of the author's claim any less retracted. If there are reports showing the retraction was bogus and there was separate proof contradicting the original author's retraction that would be something else of course, but you can't just say "I swear you'll find them, just keep looking harder!" or anyone could just make any claim up they wanted. Thanks to mcintyre1994 for noting the link in the retraction does actually go into the details of why the author retracted the claim https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/sep/12/elon-musk-biographer-admits-suggestion-spacex-head-blocked-ukraine-drone-attack-was-wrong https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/sep/12/elon-musk-biog...

lostlogin 8mo ago

> Starlink became very good at thwarting jamming. Musk proved quite good at blocking Ukrainian Starlink access too, supporting Russia. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66752264 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66752264