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Red meat (a known carcinogen) at the top is gold. All that saturated fat the energy will come from (not from protein or veggies) will probably cause heart probl

Red meat (a known carcinogen) at the top is gold. All that saturated fat the energy will come from (not from protein or veggies) will probably cause heart problems and plaque formation in arteries, not to mention insulin resistance just from increased FFAs in blood. Vegetarians and vegans have lower T2D incidence on average FWIW.

al_borland 8mo ago
> Vegetarians and vegans have lower T2D incidence on average FWIW. Anecdotally, my dad tried vegetarianism for quite a while to address his T2D, but it had no effect. My mom cut out sugar and processed carbohydrates and her T2D was gone in ~3 months or so. Following any diet is probably better than nothing at all, which could explain the lower incidence of T2D in that group vs the general public. I’d be more curious about the rates in vegetarians/vegans vs people who eat paleo or even carnivore.
- thinkcontext 8mo ago
  > Anecdotally Then it is of no interest
  - al_borland 8mo ago
    There are studies that support it. Here is a meta analysis of low carb diets on T2D, the majority show it works, though as always, there is going to be some individual variability. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s13098-025-01890-7 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s13098-025-01890-7
- snemvalts 8mo ago
  Treating T2D and preventing T2D are completely different things from a dietary perspective. Same way you wouldn't give chemotherapy to a healthy person to prevent cancer
aldarion 8mo ago
Because they don't eat processed foods. Also, red meat isn't a known carcinogen. Processed meat is. And plaque formation in arteries is a consequence of inflammation... which is caused by sugar, a.k.a. carbohydrates. Insulin resistance is also a consequence of increased carbohydrate consumption. But as I said, it is a combination of fats and carbs that is the worst killed. Eliminating either one of those from the diet leads to an automatic improvement.

al_borland 8mo ago

> Vegetarians and vegans have lower T2D incidence on average FWIW. Anecdotally, my dad tried vegetarianism for quite a while to address his T2D, but it had no effect. My mom cut out sugar and processed carbohydrates and her T2D was gone in ~3 months or so. Following any diet is probably better than nothing at all, which could explain the lower incidence of T2D in that group vs the general public. I’d be more curious about the rates in vegetarians/vegans vs people who eat paleo or even carnivore.

thinkcontext 8mo ago
> Anecdotally Then it is of no interest
- al_borland 8mo ago
  There are studies that support it. Here is a meta analysis of low carb diets on T2D, the majority show it works, though as always, there is going to be some individual variability. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s13098-025-01890-7 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s13098-025-01890-7
snemvalts 8mo ago
Treating T2D and preventing T2D are completely different things from a dietary perspective. Same way you wouldn't give chemotherapy to a healthy person to prevent cancer

aldarion 8mo ago

Because they don't eat processed foods. Also, red meat isn't a known carcinogen. Processed meat is. And plaque formation in arteries is a consequence of inflammation... which is caused by sugar, a.k.a. carbohydrates. Insulin resistance is also a consequence of increased carbohydrate consumption. But as I said, it is a combination of fats and carbs that is the worst killed. Eliminating either one of those from the diet leads to an automatic improvement.