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That's sad to hear, if true, and I'd have gladly paid for Tailwind if they'd had a "OK, so you use our CSS indirectly" program in place. I'm aware of "Tailwind

That's sad to hear, if true, and I'd have gladly paid for Tailwind if they'd had a "OK, so you use our CSS indirectly" program in place. I'm aware of "Tailwind Plus", but that seems to be React-only, and thus the opposite of where I want to be.

freedomben 8mo ago
It's not React only. It has pure/regular HTML, React, and Vue. I have mainly only used the pure HTML personally as I use Phoenix/LiveView for most of my stuff, and it works phenomenally well and is very copy/paste friendly. The UI/console they provide is also top notch. For others who do use React, the React stuff also worked well too for one project I did that was a SPA. It's well worth the money IMHO.
- ZeroConcerns 8mo ago
  I just had a more-detailed look, and I'm not sure where I'd find the pure-HTML stuff? From https://tailwindcss.com/plus/templates/pocket#pricing https://tailwindcss.com/plus/templates/pocket#pricing: "Our website templates are built using Next.js, so all of the markup is written using React" And the individual components that make up these templates don't seem to have pricing attached, nor non-React usage examples?
  - freedomben 8mo ago
    Oh, yeah the templates are React/Next.js, but the components and things are not (they are what I described above). Templates are great but 95% of the value I get is the components and things
    - ZeroConcerns 8mo ago
      So, my initial reaction that "Tailwind Plus" only offers apparent value for React users is... entirely valid?
      - freedomben 8mo ago
        Only if you ignore this part of my comment: > 95% of the value I get is the components and things If you want (and only want) a pre-built site that just needs populated with content and maybe minor tweaks to things, then yeah it's React world. However I've rarely found that any template site (Tailwind or otherwise) is close enough to where it doesn't need medium to major surgery to meet my needs, at which point it's usually faster to just copy together components to what I actually want
        ZeroConcerns 8mo ago
        > If you want (and only want) a pre-built site No, I want to be able to @import "tailwindcss" without feeling guilty. > I've rarely found that any template site Well, meet https://basecoatui.com https://basecoatui.com -- and there's more where that came from. So, ehhm, no, I'm not ignoring the salient part of your comment: you are ignoring the entire point of my post, which is that if Tailwind had a non-React monetization strategy, things maybe, possibly, might have worked out better.
        whstl 8mo ago
        You were linking to their React-only offering above, but the actual Tailwind Plus website is this one: https://tailwindcss.com/plus https://tailwindcss.com/plus The Tailwind UI blocks are a similar offering to Basecoat, and are available in non-React format. The "Tailwind React Templates" are not really similar to Basecoat.
        freedomben 8mo ago
        > No, I want to be able to @import "tailwindcss" without feeling guilty. tailwindcss is and always has been free, so I don't understand why there would be any guilt with using it. Tailwind UI/Tailwind Plus is essentially pre-built components built using tailwindcss, plus some pre-built site templates. > Well, meet https://basecoatui.com https://basecoatui.com -- and there's more where that came from. Thanks, that looks great and will be useful to me! However, unless I'm missing something basecoatui is a component library much like what Tailwind UI/Tailwind Plus provides (though organized differently and useful in a different way IMHO). The template sites are essentially complete websites that you just git clone and it's ready to run. Quite different. basecoatui would be very useful to me, whereas template sites rarely ever have been. > So, ehhm, no, I'm not ignoring the salient part of your comment: you are ignoring the entire point of my post, which is that if Tailwind had a non-React monetization strategy, things maybe, possibly, might have worked out better. Apologies if that came off harsh, I didn't mean to ascribe any malice to your reply. However, it seems like there's some confusion here about what the Tailwind "templates" are. They aren't a component library, the component library is different and is not React only. So to summarize, there are two major parts that are different: 1. Templates (pre-built sites that you git clone). React only 2. Pre-built pieces/components that you copy/paste and modify into your existing app.
james2doyle 8mo ago
You can actually use tailwind via the script tag in a plain HTML file. Not for production, but great for whipping up prototypes
- freedomben 8mo ago
  Indeed, I've done this quite a few times myself. It's also a phenomenal way to be able to start poking at UI immediately without messing with build pipelines or anything besides just pointing your browser at `file:///...`. Then if the prototype is useful it's very easy to just delete the script tag and get it set up "properly" for a prod build and you know your prototype will pretty much "just work"

freedomben 8mo ago

It's not React only. It has pure/regular HTML, React, and Vue. I have mainly only used the pure HTML personally as I use Phoenix/LiveView for most of my stuff, and it works phenomenally well and is very copy/paste friendly. The UI/console they provide is also top notch. For others who do use React, the React stuff also worked well too for one project I did that was a SPA. It's well worth the money IMHO.

ZeroConcerns 8mo ago
I just had a more-detailed look, and I'm not sure where I'd find the pure-HTML stuff? From https://tailwindcss.com/plus/templates/pocket#pricing https://tailwindcss.com/plus/templates/pocket#pricing: "Our website templates are built using Next.js, so all of the markup is written using React" And the individual components that make up these templates don't seem to have pricing attached, nor non-React usage examples?
- freedomben 8mo ago
  Oh, yeah the templates are React/Next.js, but the components and things are not (they are what I described above). Templates are great but 95% of the value I get is the components and things
  - ZeroConcerns 8mo ago
    So, my initial reaction that "Tailwind Plus" only offers apparent value for React users is... entirely valid?
    - freedomben 8mo ago
      Only if you ignore this part of my comment: > 95% of the value I get is the components and things If you want (and only want) a pre-built site that just needs populated with content and maybe minor tweaks to things, then yeah it's React world. However I've rarely found that any template site (Tailwind or otherwise) is close enough to where it doesn't need medium to major surgery to meet my needs, at which point it's usually faster to just copy together components to what I actually want
      - ZeroConcerns 8mo ago
        > If you want (and only want) a pre-built site No, I want to be able to @import "tailwindcss" without feeling guilty. > I've rarely found that any template site Well, meet https://basecoatui.com https://basecoatui.com -- and there's more where that came from. So, ehhm, no, I'm not ignoring the salient part of your comment: you are ignoring the entire point of my post, which is that if Tailwind had a non-React monetization strategy, things maybe, possibly, might have worked out better.
        whstl 8mo ago
        You were linking to their React-only offering above, but the actual Tailwind Plus website is this one: https://tailwindcss.com/plus https://tailwindcss.com/plus The Tailwind UI blocks are a similar offering to Basecoat, and are available in non-React format. The "Tailwind React Templates" are not really similar to Basecoat.
        freedomben 8mo ago
        > No, I want to be able to @import "tailwindcss" without feeling guilty. tailwindcss is and always has been free, so I don't understand why there would be any guilt with using it. Tailwind UI/Tailwind Plus is essentially pre-built components built using tailwindcss, plus some pre-built site templates. > Well, meet https://basecoatui.com https://basecoatui.com -- and there's more where that came from. Thanks, that looks great and will be useful to me! However, unless I'm missing something basecoatui is a component library much like what Tailwind UI/Tailwind Plus provides (though organized differently and useful in a different way IMHO). The template sites are essentially complete websites that you just git clone and it's ready to run. Quite different. basecoatui would be very useful to me, whereas template sites rarely ever have been. > So, ehhm, no, I'm not ignoring the salient part of your comment: you are ignoring the entire point of my post, which is that if Tailwind had a non-React monetization strategy, things maybe, possibly, might have worked out better. Apologies if that came off harsh, I didn't mean to ascribe any malice to your reply. However, it seems like there's some confusion here about what the Tailwind "templates" are. They aren't a component library, the component library is different and is not React only. So to summarize, there are two major parts that are different: 1. Templates (pre-built sites that you git clone). React only 2. Pre-built pieces/components that you copy/paste and modify into your existing app.

james2doyle 8mo ago

You can actually use tailwind via the script tag in a plain HTML file. Not for production, but great for whipping up prototypes

freedomben 8mo ago
Indeed, I've done this quite a few times myself. It's also a phenomenal way to be able to start poking at UI immediately without messing with build pipelines or anything besides just pointing your browser at `file:///...`. Then if the prototype is useful it's very easy to just delete the script tag and get it set up "properly" for a prod build and you know your prototype will pretty much "just work"