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My concern for Venezuelans is precisely what makes me believe "removing Maduro good" even though things are more nuanced and complex than those three words.
by thrownato 9mo ago
My concern for Venezuelans is precisely what makes me believe "removing Maduro good" even though things are more nuanced and complex than those three words.
- mrwrong 9mo agoI'm not sure many people will believe you saying that
- thrownato 9mo agoFortunately, their disbelief does not make it not true.
- mrwrong 9mo agoand the corollary is of course that saying something doesn't make it true
- stevenhuang 9mo agoYou have the Internet at your disposal. You can see for yourself the opinions of Venezuelans. We'll wait.
- aglavine 9mo agoA wide majority of Venezolans are happy with having Maduro out.
- gorbot 9mo agoSource?
- aglavine 9mo agoMaduro lost elections. 8 millions of exilees can't love him. And I interact daily with exilees. There are already videos of people celebrating all around the world. You can disagree. It is hard to believe narco dictators have too much love from people anyway.
- MangoToupe 9mo agoOk, so you have no basis to claim that a majority of venezuelans think anything. > It is hard to believe narco dictators have too much love from people anyway. You must be confusing venezuela with a state that traffics in drugs.
- aglavine 9mo agoAsk people from Venezuela, check the web, the news. They are the main players in all this.
- gorbot 9mo agoim just asking for an actual source, like a news article from a reputable source. Is that not able to be provided?
- aglavine 9mo agoJust a few I found in 5 minutes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Venezuelan_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Venezuelan_presidential_e... https://youtu.be/qxlpRDr6aEg?si=jQdhOwslOLrZBN_5 https://youtu.be/qxlpRDr6aEg?si=jQdhOwslOLrZBN_5 https://youtu.be/FRbX18Evcvg?si=OLpsLCY4MQwAyIEP https://youtu.be/FRbX18Evcvg?si=OLpsLCY4MQwAyIEP https://youtu.be/aISwtCy02Hg?si=Y0TRfj-bHQANSklZ https://youtu.be/aISwtCy02Hg?si=Y0TRfj-bHQANSklZ https://youtube.com/shorts/4azk6qDE9-I?si=J2SjBmJtAXotU6js https://youtube.com/shorts/4azk6qDE9-I?si=J2SjBmJtAXotU6js
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- squibonpig 9mo agoDestabilizing the country and/or installing a US puppet or just allowing the power vacuum to fill itself is likely not to the betterment of their people.
- xenospn 9mo agoTo be fair, I don’t think there’s any way for their lives to get even worse. So If I was Venezuelan, I’d be cautiously optimistic right now.
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- adhamsalama 9mo agoUh, they could be murdered by the US army like the million Iraqi civilians the US murdered.
- johnnyanmac 9mo agoThe US is really good at challenging such notions like "well it can't get worse". Don't worry, we find a way.
- jacquesm 9mo agoYou lack imagination.
- xenospn 9mo agoWhat’s worse than no toilet paper and nowhere to get it?
- 34679 9mo agoDoes anyone believe that the US regime, an entity that utterly ignores the needs of its masses in favor of a relative handful of lobbyists, is really going to install a representative government that exists to improve the lives of Venezuelans instead of enriching the same powers that it's beholden to?
- tootie 9mo agoSurely Maduro is bad, but that doesn't mean the next phase won't be worse. Trump has never shown any interest in spreading democracy or human rights. I would not be surprised if the mission involved a side deal with someone in Maduro's inner circle to let them become the new dictator who is willing sell oil leases to the US and who will be as bad or worse to the Venezuelan populace. We have absolutely no idea what happens next and Trump has not given any indication of strategy beyond wanting oil.
- lbrito 9mo agoWhy would you believe anyone the US installs as a puppet will be any better?
- culi 9mo agoThe most good we can do is allowing Venezuela to live without sanctions https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/05775132.2019.1638094 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/05775132.2019.16... > This article analyzes the consequences of the economic sanctions imposed on Venezuela by the U.S. government since August of 2017. The authors find that most of the impact of these sanctions has not been on the government but on the civilian population. The sanctions reduced the public’s caloric intake, increased disease and mortality (for both adults and infants), and displaced millions of Venezuelans who fled the country as a result of the worsening economic depression and hyperinflation. They made it nearly impossible to stabilize Venezuela’s economic crisis. These impacts disproportionately harmed the poorest and most vulnerable Venezuelans.