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Are you sure your government is attacking because of free elections?

by blob17 9mo ago

JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
> Are you sure your government is attacking because of free elections? Never said that. I said this could wind up being net good if that's the outcome. Doesn't make the way we would have gotten there okay. And it doesn't mean that was a primary or even proximate goal for the people who called the shots.
- blob17 9mo ago
  are you saying this as a local to the area or as an american living in america projecting your vision of "net good" lmao.
  - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
    > as an american living in america projecting your vision of "net good" American living in America who knows Venzeulans in America, most of whom didn't want this. But. All of whom would want their country to democratise. Whether blowing up the capital and kidnapping their dictator causes that to happen is questionable. But Venezuela has cultural memory of democracy. (On the other hand, there seems to be zero effort–again!–towards an after-the-bombs plan. I'll also note that this administration isn't exactly a fan, itself, of free and fair elections.)
    - blob17 9mo ago
      lol bro u realize if ur a minority in your flavor of democracy u still lose right? thats why they need entire campaigns to brainwash you on what's good for you on ur voter leaflets.
      - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
        > voter leaflets Where are you getting your information?
        blob17 9mo ago
        airdropped from a C-130
    - 7bit 9mo ago
      > But. Should have stopped there...
    - titoktok 9mo ago
      but. leave others alone
  - mothballed 9mo ago
    It's incredibly common to hear it from locals but they usually get ignored [] because it doesn't fit the anglo-centric narrative. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46474353 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46474353
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  - matheusmoreira 9mo ago
    I live in one of Venezuela's neighboring countries. Everybody knows he wants the oil. Everybody knows there's pretty much nothing we can do if he attacks in order to get it. America's military capabilities are so far beyond south america that it's actually pretty sad. There's nothing to do but try to look at the bright side. Honestly, I was hoping for an actual war against the drug gangs. Had he gone to war and won, he would have taken care of a huge problem for us. I for one would have been extremely grateful. Now it looks like he's going to get his oil without any fighting whatsoever.

Are you sure your government is attacking because of free elections?

by blob17 9mo ago

Are you sure your government is attacking because of free elections?

> Are you sure your government is attacking because of free elections? Never said that. I said this could wind up being net good if that's the outcome. Doesn't make the way we would have gotten there okay. And it doesn't mean that was a primary or even proximate goal for the people who called the shots.

blob17 9mo ago
are you saying this as a local to the area or as an american living in america projecting your vision of "net good" lmao.
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
  > as an american living in america projecting your vision of "net good" American living in America who knows Venzeulans in America, most of whom didn't want this. But. All of whom would want their country to democratise. Whether blowing up the capital and kidnapping their dictator causes that to happen is questionable. But Venezuela has cultural memory of democracy. (On the other hand, there seems to be zero effort–again!–towards an after-the-bombs plan. I'll also note that this administration isn't exactly a fan, itself, of free and fair elections.)
  - blob17 9mo ago
    lol bro u realize if ur a minority in your flavor of democracy u still lose right? thats why they need entire campaigns to brainwash you on what's good for you on ur voter leaflets.
    - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
      > voter leaflets Where are you getting your information?
      - blob17 9mo ago
        airdropped from a C-130
  - 7bit 9mo ago
    > But. Should have stopped there...
  - titoktok 9mo ago
    but. leave others alone
- mothballed 9mo ago
  It's incredibly common to hear it from locals but they usually get ignored [] because it doesn't fit the anglo-centric narrative. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46474353 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46474353
  - deleted 9mo ago
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- matheusmoreira 9mo ago
  I live in one of Venezuela's neighboring countries. Everybody knows he wants the oil. Everybody knows there's pretty much nothing we can do if he attacks in order to get it. America's military capabilities are so far beyond south america that it's actually pretty sad. There's nothing to do but try to look at the bright side. Honestly, I was hoping for an actual war against the drug gangs. Had he gone to war and won, he would have taken care of a huge problem for us. I for one would have been extremely grateful. Now it looks like he's going to get his oil without any fighting whatsoever.