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> What languages will be supported? > As a real keyboard with the QWERTY layout, Communicator supports languages that use the Latin alphabet: [...] Russian We

by aleksi 9mo ago

> What languages will be supported? > As a real keyboard with the QWERTY layout, Communicator supports languages that use the Latin alphabet: [...] Russian Weird

dullcrisp 9mo ago
Japanese too
altairprime 9mo ago
> Weird Clarify?
- paxys 9mo ago
  Russian does not use the Latin alphabet
  - altairprime 9mo ago
    Oh! Okay. I’m not an expert, but the depth of information here appears to disagree? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Latin_alphabet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Latin_alphabet
    - Kirth 9mo ago
      Муч лике хов Ю кан/кулд спел Енглиш ин Кирилик.. but who in their right mind actually does that?
      - throwaway74354 9mo ago
        Palm Treo/Pre and BlackBerry users! And probably Clicks users too. It's not a matter of "Does Russian language use the Latin script?" (it doesn't), but rather "What is the least annoying method to input Cyrillic on a BB-style keyboard, which doesn't have enough buttons for the йцукен layout?". Phonetic layouts such as яверты or яшерты were very popular for such devices back in the day.
        altairprime 9mo ago
        I’m considering the linked-above device to replace my mom’s Q10 later this year, so this is a specifically helpful answer for me — thanks!
      - CrazyStat 9mo ago
        For anyone one confused, the first part is an approximate transliteration into Cyrillic of the English sentence “Much like how you can/could spell English in Cyrillic.”
    - paxys 9mo ago
      > The Russian Latin alphabet is the common name for various variants of writing the Russian language by means of the Latin alphabet. Key word - variant
    - grishka 9mo ago
      Transliteration is certainly a thing but it's only ever used as a last resort when you really have to pass Russian text through a system that only supports the Latin alphabet, or when you can't input Cyrillic for some other reason. It used to be somewhat common for SMS 20+ years ago.
    - Karliss 9mo ago
      If you had read the link you posted you would know those are various historic proposals for language reforms not something that's widely used. Same way there have been various proposals for English spelling reforms. That's not the normal way for writing or reading Russian. Russian uses Cyrilic alphabet which if anything is closer to Greek alphabet than Latin. There are other slavic langauges which actually use Latin based scripts. If you don't read Russian it might look like some of the letters look similar but that's only less than half of alphabet and from those half have completely different meaning than Latin lookalikes. Yes there are various schemes for transliterating Russian into latin script, which people occasionally use for various reasons like typing on a computer or phone which hasn't been fully configured for use with Russian language, in contexts where unicode isn't supported or to make street signs legible for tourists. That's different from the "Russian Latin alphabet". In most cases where proper Cyrillic is problematic dedicated "Russian Latin alphabet" that's based on Latin with extra diacritic marks would also be problematic. Similar thing could be said about other languages like Japanese or Chinese, but I don't think anyone would describe them as "languages that use the Latin alphabet". As for typing on keyboard the main Russian layout is nothing like qwerty. Computer keyboards sold in relevant regions often have dual labels. I personally never learned touch typing in Cyrillic and use the phonetic layout in the rare cases I need to do so since for me it was a second foreign language. Which exact approach Click chose - who knows. Will it be possible to choose your preferred Russian layout like on a desktop computer? Likely not. If they supported that I would have expect them to also add layouts for more languages. Although maybe they didn't want to promise anything for languages for which they don't have OS UI translations.
      - altairprime 9mo ago
        > If you had read the link Fortunately, I then assumed that I knew nothing and asked anyways. I'm glad I did — this thread is now much more interesting than the one-word comment conveyed to me at first.

by aleksi 9mo ago

> What languages will be supported? > As a real keyboard with the QWERTY layout, Communicator supports languages that use the Latin alphabet: [...] Russian Weird

dullcrisp 9mo ago

Japanese too

altairprime 9mo ago

> Weird Clarify?

paxys 9mo ago
Russian does not use the Latin alphabet
- altairprime 9mo ago
  Oh! Okay. I’m not an expert, but the depth of information here appears to disagree? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Latin_alphabet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Latin_alphabet
  - Kirth 9mo ago
    Муч лике хов Ю кан/кулд спел Енглиш ин Кирилик.. but who in their right mind actually does that?
    - throwaway74354 9mo ago
      Palm Treo/Pre and BlackBerry users! And probably Clicks users too. It's not a matter of "Does Russian language use the Latin script?" (it doesn't), but rather "What is the least annoying method to input Cyrillic on a BB-style keyboard, which doesn't have enough buttons for the йцукен layout?". Phonetic layouts such as яверты or яшерты were very popular for such devices back in the day.
      - altairprime 9mo ago
        I’m considering the linked-above device to replace my mom’s Q10 later this year, so this is a specifically helpful answer for me — thanks!
    - CrazyStat 9mo ago
      For anyone one confused, the first part is an approximate transliteration into Cyrillic of the English sentence “Much like how you can/could spell English in Cyrillic.”
  - paxys 9mo ago
    > The Russian Latin alphabet is the common name for various variants of writing the Russian language by means of the Latin alphabet. Key word - variant
  - grishka 9mo ago
    Transliteration is certainly a thing but it's only ever used as a last resort when you really have to pass Russian text through a system that only supports the Latin alphabet, or when you can't input Cyrillic for some other reason. It used to be somewhat common for SMS 20+ years ago.
  - Karliss 9mo ago
    If you had read the link you posted you would know those are various historic proposals for language reforms not something that's widely used. Same way there have been various proposals for English spelling reforms. That's not the normal way for writing or reading Russian. Russian uses Cyrilic alphabet which if anything is closer to Greek alphabet than Latin. There are other slavic langauges which actually use Latin based scripts. If you don't read Russian it might look like some of the letters look similar but that's only less than half of alphabet and from those half have completely different meaning than Latin lookalikes. Yes there are various schemes for transliterating Russian into latin script, which people occasionally use for various reasons like typing on a computer or phone which hasn't been fully configured for use with Russian language, in contexts where unicode isn't supported or to make street signs legible for tourists. That's different from the "Russian Latin alphabet". In most cases where proper Cyrillic is problematic dedicated "Russian Latin alphabet" that's based on Latin with extra diacritic marks would also be problematic. Similar thing could be said about other languages like Japanese or Chinese, but I don't think anyone would describe them as "languages that use the Latin alphabet". As for typing on keyboard the main Russian layout is nothing like qwerty. Computer keyboards sold in relevant regions often have dual labels. I personally never learned touch typing in Cyrillic and use the phonetic layout in the rare cases I need to do so since for me it was a second foreign language. Which exact approach Click chose - who knows. Will it be possible to choose your preferred Russian layout like on a desktop computer? Likely not. If they supported that I would have expect them to also add layouts for more languages. Although maybe they didn't want to promise anything for languages for which they don't have OS UI translations.
    - altairprime 9mo ago
      > If you had read the link Fortunately, I then assumed that I knew nothing and asked anyways. I'm glad I did — this thread is now much more interesting than the one-word comment conveyed to me at first.