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> It’s a lot of plastic. A lot of waste. And yet again customer demand and financial gain supercede environmental concerns. There’s no hope for a better, less

> It’s a lot of plastic. A lot of waste. And yet again customer demand and financial gain supercede environmental concerns. There’s no hope for a better, less consumer-oriented culture if even the indie creatives among us acknowledge the problem yet succumb to it.

anovikov 9mo ago
Less consumer-oriented culture demands brainwashing, totalitarianism and terror, to force people to not do things they naturally want to, when there is a capability for doing that (if there's no capability, a nation will be physically overwhelmed by other nations and cease to exist/replaced)...
- sorushn 9mo ago
  >> Less consumer-oriented culture demands brainwashing It simply requires putting a stop to the constant brainwashing campaigns for inducing demand. >> do things they naturally want to collecting Stanley tumblers is not a "natural" tendency.
  - anovikov 9mo ago
    Well... if we had a constant stream of inventions so that people will always have things they'd love to have but struggle to afford, then there won't be a need to induce demand. But we don't have nearly enough: people have more spare cash than inventions they want, are produced every year. If we don't induce demand by brainwashing, what will people do? They will keep inflating bubbles buying up stocks (making economy even more unstable, and eventually undermining themselves), houses (making sure new generations can't buy theirs, depressing birth rates and giving rise to political radicalism), and crypto (which is absolute insanity). People need to be given ways to spend their spare cash, and nudged to do it as opposed to "investing" that cash (which is, in the true meanin of this word, mostly impossible because there aren't enough inventions to invest into).
    - throwway120385 9mo ago
      This is a pretty cynical take. It's also possible people would find meaningful things to do with their money.
  - fragmede 9mo ago
    Stanley tumblers, no, but even magpies like collecting rocks and buttons and things. Seeing a checkmark on an online digital widget just really doesn't scratch the same itch.
  - compiler-devel 9mo ago
    > It simply requires putting a stop to the constant brainwashing campaigns for inducing demand. Unfortunately, there are C-suite level roles for this so it will never stop.
- danielbln 9mo ago
  Is this some libertarian/randian take? There are many things people naturally want to do that we regulate and steer away from via many different means (smoking bans, traffic laws, etc.). You do realize we don't live in an objectivist society, right?

anovikov 9mo ago

Less consumer-oriented culture demands brainwashing, totalitarianism and terror, to force people to not do things they naturally want to, when there is a capability for doing that (if there's no capability, a nation will be physically overwhelmed by other nations and cease to exist/replaced)...

sorushn 9mo ago
>> Less consumer-oriented culture demands brainwashing It simply requires putting a stop to the constant brainwashing campaigns for inducing demand. >> do things they naturally want to collecting Stanley tumblers is not a "natural" tendency.
- anovikov 9mo ago
  Well... if we had a constant stream of inventions so that people will always have things they'd love to have but struggle to afford, then there won't be a need to induce demand. But we don't have nearly enough: people have more spare cash than inventions they want, are produced every year. If we don't induce demand by brainwashing, what will people do? They will keep inflating bubbles buying up stocks (making economy even more unstable, and eventually undermining themselves), houses (making sure new generations can't buy theirs, depressing birth rates and giving rise to political radicalism), and crypto (which is absolute insanity). People need to be given ways to spend their spare cash, and nudged to do it as opposed to "investing" that cash (which is, in the true meanin of this word, mostly impossible because there aren't enough inventions to invest into).
  - throwway120385 9mo ago
    This is a pretty cynical take. It's also possible people would find meaningful things to do with their money.
- fragmede 9mo ago
  Stanley tumblers, no, but even magpies like collecting rocks and buttons and things. Seeing a checkmark on an online digital widget just really doesn't scratch the same itch.
- compiler-devel 9mo ago
  > It simply requires putting a stop to the constant brainwashing campaigns for inducing demand. Unfortunately, there are C-suite level roles for this so it will never stop.
danielbln 9mo ago
Is this some libertarian/randian take? There are many things people naturally want to do that we regulate and steer away from via many different means (smoking bans, traffic laws, etc.). You do realize we don't live in an objectivist society, right?