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"Sinking the ships and then denying knowing anything about it would probably be the best course of action. That's what Russians would do, if the roles were reve
by shtzvhdx 9mo ago
"Sinking the ships and then denying knowing anything about it would probably be the best course of action. That's what Russians would do, if the roles were reversed."
You mean like NATO did off the coast of Spain a year ago?
- rwyinuse 9mo agoI didn't remember that case, very interesting. But yes, silently torpedoing a Russian ship transporting military technology to another hostile rogue state is exactly what NATO should be doing.
- shtzvhdx 9mo agoDid I miss NATO declaring war on Russia and N. Korea? Or are we OK with the Chinese silently torpedoing the next batch of military equipment to Taiwan (a rouge province under intl law)? Your argument, taken to its limit, is might makes right. Which, fine; but we're just not that strong anymore. Certainly not the EUpeeans.
- purerandomness 9mo agoWhat's the point of declaring war in a war? Russia invaded Ukraine just fine without ever declaring war.
- shtzvhdx 9mo agoAs long as the EUpeans don't drag me, my loved ones, or my taxes into a war with Russia I couldn't care less if any this is declared or not nor do I care if they torpedo Russian ships. However, I also couldn't care less if the Russians Oreshniks Liverpool or Marseille.
- purerandomness 9mo agoFair enough, you do you. Meanwhile, we'll be protecting your loved ones.
- shtzvhdx 9mo agoPray, from what? And please don't flatter yourself. Europe couldn't field an army of a 100 000 riflemen if you put all of the EU countries together.
- actionfromafar 9mo agoHonestly, neither can Russia, unless you count 100 000 random men + 90 000 rusty rifles as "riflemen".
- shtzvhdx 9mo agoThen y'all don't need us to come over.
- LunaSea 9mo agoWell you did when you requested help for Iraq and Afghanistan so ....
- shtzvhdx 9mo agoYou appreciate the irony that the same folks who wanted the war in Iraq, the Dick Cheneys, the Nulans, the Eastern "new" Europeans are the ones clamoring for war against Russia? I don't care what token force of soldiers Estonia or Poland sent to Afghanistan. Poke the bear and you're on your own.
- LunaSea 9mo agoWell you started another military operation this morning so this might not be argument you believe it is.
- LunaSea 9mo ago> Did I miss NATO declaring war on Russia and N. Korea? Russia declares ware with the west every other Monday. North Korea is at war with South Korea which is an allied country and partner. > Or are we OK with the Chinese silently torpedoing the next batch of military equipment to Taiwan (a rouge province under intl law)? You mean like they already destroy boats of nearby countries? China doesn't respect International Law anyway and Taiwanese people have the right to choose their independence.
- nubg 9mo agoLink?
- villaaston1 9mo agohttps://www.laverdad.es/murcia/cartagena/barco-ruso-hundido-frente-cartagena-ocultaba-dos-20251228071129-nt.html https://www.laverdad.es/murcia/cartagena/barco-ruso-hundido-...
- T-A 9mo agoAll I can see there before "Este contenido es exclusivo para suscriptores" is conjecture that (translating and emphasizing) "a torpedo may have pierced the hull of the vessel". Is there any evidence?
- shtzvhdx 9mo agoThe hull is bent inward in a manner characteristic of a torpedo.
- T-A 9mo agoOr of hitting a rock. What's the seabed around the ship like? A famous example which gave rise to similar hypotheses: https://news.err.ee/1142424/foreign-ministry-adviser-ms-estonia-hole-likely-caused-when-struck-seabed https://news.err.ee/1142424/foreign-ministry-adviser-ms-esto...
- LunaSea 9mo agoYou mean the boat Russia itself torpedoed?
- shtzvhdx 9mo agoLike they blew up their own pipeline. Right. Look, (all) governments play the lie and deceit game; but I dont have to go along it because of some misplaced sense jingo-patriotism.
- LunaSea 9mo agoYour sources are welcome because at the moment it's looking pretty thin. It's pretty clear that Russia torpedoes their own boat to hide their transfer of nuclear to an embargoed country, North Korea. The same North Korea that sent people to die for Russia in Ukraine. A nice little quid-pro-quo relationship.