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> German government is just as draconian as the US this is called "disinformation"

by almostgotcaught 9mo ago

trelane 9mo ago
I honestly cannot tell if this is serious, or irony, or even meta-irony.
- oezi 9mo ago
  If I understand it right, then OP likely believes that Germany has a draconian regime when it comes to freedom of speech (which is objectively just ridiculous give or take some German nuances). OP thus wants to make fun of those (such as me) who are puzzled by a statement that Germany could be considered a draconian state with regards to freedom of speech. It is hard to engage OP because he likely isn't German and has no personal knowledge and experience at all if any of his speech would be censored in Germany. Calling OP disinformed maybe isn't quite correct, maybe misinformed would fit better.
like_any_other 9mo ago
They are considering banning the largest opposition party, are using wiretaps and informants against it [1], have banned (ban since lifted) a magazine [2], and opened a criminal investigation into someone calling a fat politician fat online [3]. They are openly planning even worse [4] (if you dislike the author, keep in mind every claim is sourced, so take it up with the sources). [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/13/court-confirms-german-intelligence-surveillance-of-extremist-afd https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/13/court-confirms-germ... [2] https://www.dw.com/en/germany-compact-press-freedom-right-wing-extremism-leipzig/a-72860076 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-compact-press-freedom-right-wi... [3] https://www.foxnews.com/media/germany-started-criminal-investigation-social-media-user-calling-female-politician-fat https://www.foxnews.com/media/germany-started-criminal-inves... [4] Germany announces wide-ranging plans to restrict the speech, travel and economic activity of political dissidents, in order to better control the "thought and speech patterns" of its own people - https://www.eugyppius.com/p/germany-announces-wide-ranging-plans https://www.eugyppius.com/p/germany-announces-wide-ranging-p... Edit as reply to nosianu, because I am "posting too fast": > Liar. Some demand it - but it is not considered by those with the power to actually do it, not even close. On Monday, the center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD), which is currently serving as the junior coalition partner in Berlin’s conservative-led government, voted unanimously to begin efforts to outlaw [AfD]. - https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/06/europe/germany-afd-ban-politics-analysis-intl https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/06/europe/germany-afd-ban-po... The Jewish German intelligence chief trying to ban the AfD - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/12/09/jewish-germany-intelligence-chief-trying-ban-afd/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/12/09/jewish-ger... I would not call the head of German intelligence and ruling coalition parties "not even close". Kindly save that liar label for yourself. > The AfD happily participates in state and federal elections and is in the federal parliament (Bundestag). "Considering" means they haven't done it yet. Some tried, but have not yet succeeded.
- amarant 9mo ago
  Largest opposition party? It's a neo nazi terrorist group with a political wing! There are 9 main parties in Germany, AfD doesn't even make top 10… Your comment is like saying the US is shooting political dissidents, and then referring to Al-Qaida or ISIS.
  - like_any_other 9mo ago
    > It's a neo nazi terrorist group with a political wing! If you have a source showing AfD organized terrorist attacks, please present it. I could find no such thing. > There are 9 main parties in Germany, AfD doesn't even make top 10… In the 2025 elections, the largest party, the CDU, got 28.5% of the vote. The AfD came second with 20.8%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2025_German_federal_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2025_German_fed... So you're simply lying.
    - the_why_of_y 9mo ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Walter_L%C3%BCbcke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Walter_L%C3%BCbcke
      - like_any_other 9mo ago
        > He also had connections to the far-right National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD) and the Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) parties. Following the source wikipedia gives [1], we see the extent of that "connection" was that the killer donated €150 to the AfD, and that the AfD had previously criticized the victim (by sharing the victim's exact own words online). Let's apply your standard evenly then, shall we? A writer for the state-funded left-wing Amadeu Antonio Foundation, armed with hammers and pepper spray, attacked a right-wing activist [2]. This attack was one of many [3]. So by your standard the German state sponsors and endorses terrorists. The US Democrat party wants to create an ICE tracker [4]. ICE agents have been the targets of attacks and ambushes [5,6,6a]. And of course it was hateful rhetoric [7] against Trump and Kirk that led to their (attempted) assassinations by the left. By your standard, the Democrat party engages in stochastic terrorism. Of course that's just guilt by (vague) association. Enough for you, but I have higher standards. Bill Clinton pardoned a terrorist who (among other things) bombed the Senate. She now sits on the board of BLM [8,9]. An axe-wielding maniac attacked a Republican senator's home. Democrat politicians then donated money to the attacker [10]. The founder of the terrorist group Weather Underground [11], Bill Ayers, is now a distinguished professor at the state-funded University of Illinois [12], so we can add them to terrorists as well. As well as the University of California, where the terrorist Angela Davis is also a distinguished professor. "Terrorist" can be a vague term, so let me be specific: she bought the shotgun seen here taped to the neck of Judge Harold Haley, and helped plan the attack that killed him [13]. "In an op-ed piece after the election, Ayers denied any close association with Obama, and criticized the Republican campaign for its use of guilt by association tactics." - perhaps you should reflect on this. So now what? Will you reconsider calling AfD terrorists? Will you instead also call the US Democratic and the German CDU parties terrorists? Maybe even apply more skepticism to the news sources that have so deceived you by cherry-picking what they show you? Or will you reconsider nothing, and just hope the next person you lie to is less informed? Rhetorical question. [1] https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/father-neighbor-killer-germany-s-new-far-right-terror-a-1273689.html https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/father-neighbor... [2] https://www.bild.de/regional/berlin/linksextremisten-greifen-neonazi-in-berlin-mit-messer-an-6936d8bac3b4893a9e2b20bd https://www.bild.de/regional/berlin/linksextremisten-greifen... [3] In 2023, the AfD saw 86 violent attacks on AfD party representatives. This was more than on any other German party. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany [4] https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5566481-ice-tracker-debate-bondi-garcia/ https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5566481-ice-tra... [5] https://www.ngocomment.com/p/the-first-federal-terror-case-against https://www.ngocomment.com/p/the-first-federal-terror-case-a... [6] https://www.fox4news.com/news/texas-ice-detention-center-attack-alvarado https://www.fox4news.com/news/texas-ice-detention-center-att... [6a] https://www.foxnews.com/us/who-joshua-jahn-shooter-deadly-dallas-ice-facility-attack https://www.foxnews.com/us/who-joshua-jahn-shooter-deadly-da... [7] That some of this rhetoric was true makes no difference - the charge of "stochastic terrorism" had no exceptions for truth when used against the right. And indeed the AfD's statements about the victim in the case you linked are not even alleged to be untrue. [8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg [9] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blm-terrorist-rosenberg/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blm-terrorist-rosenberg/ ("mixture" because yes it's all true, but it's "subjective" if bombing government buildings is really terrorism) [10] https://www.kfyrtv.com/2021/01/09/democrats-donate-to-suspect-accused-of-vandalizing-sen-hoevens-office/ https://www.kfyrtv.com/2021/01/09/democrats-donate-to-suspec... [11] At one point, the Weathermen adopted the belief that all white babies were "tainted with the original sin of "skin privilege", declaring "all white babies are pigs" with one Weatherwoman telling feminist poet Robin Morgan "You have no right to that pig male baby" after she saw Morgan breastfeeding her son and told Morgan to put the baby in the garbage. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground [12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers [13] https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/31eyvt/judge_harold_haley_with_shotgun_taped_around_his/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/31eyvt/judge_h...
pessimizer 9mo ago
Will Germany be banning HN for not deleting it and sentencing nik282000 to a prison term then?
08766747563434 9mo ago
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> German government is just as draconian as the US this is called "disinformation"

trelane 9mo ago

I honestly cannot tell if this is serious, or irony, or even meta-irony.

oezi 9mo ago
If I understand it right, then OP likely believes that Germany has a draconian regime when it comes to freedom of speech (which is objectively just ridiculous give or take some German nuances). OP thus wants to make fun of those (such as me) who are puzzled by a statement that Germany could be considered a draconian state with regards to freedom of speech. It is hard to engage OP because he likely isn't German and has no personal knowledge and experience at all if any of his speech would be censored in Germany. Calling OP disinformed maybe isn't quite correct, maybe misinformed would fit better.

like_any_other 9mo ago

They are considering banning the largest opposition party, are using wiretaps and informants against it [1], have banned (ban since lifted) a magazine [2], and opened a criminal investigation into someone calling a fat politician fat online [3]. They are openly planning even worse [4] (if you dislike the author, keep in mind every claim is sourced, so take it up with the sources). [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/13/court-confirms-german-intelligence-surveillance-of-extremist-afd https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/13/court-confirms-germ... [2] https://www.dw.com/en/germany-compact-press-freedom-right-wing-extremism-leipzig/a-72860076 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-compact-press-freedom-right-wi... [3] https://www.foxnews.com/media/germany-started-criminal-investigation-social-media-user-calling-female-politician-fat https://www.foxnews.com/media/germany-started-criminal-inves... [4] Germany announces wide-ranging plans to restrict the speech, travel and economic activity of political dissidents, in order to better control the "thought and speech patterns" of its own people - https://www.eugyppius.com/p/germany-announces-wide-ranging-plans https://www.eugyppius.com/p/germany-announces-wide-ranging-p... Edit as reply to nosianu, because I am "posting too fast": > Liar. Some demand it - but it is not considered by those with the power to actually do it, not even close. On Monday, the center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD), which is currently serving as the junior coalition partner in Berlin’s conservative-led government, voted unanimously to begin efforts to outlaw [AfD]. - https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/06/europe/germany-afd-ban-politics-analysis-intl https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/06/europe/germany-afd-ban-po... The Jewish German intelligence chief trying to ban the AfD - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/12/09/jewish-germany-intelligence-chief-trying-ban-afd/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/12/09/jewish-ger... I would not call the head of German intelligence and ruling coalition parties "not even close". Kindly save that liar label for yourself. > The AfD happily participates in state and federal elections and is in the federal parliament (Bundestag). "Considering" means they haven't done it yet. Some tried, but have not yet succeeded.

amarant 9mo ago
Largest opposition party? It's a neo nazi terrorist group with a political wing! There are 9 main parties in Germany, AfD doesn't even make top 10… Your comment is like saying the US is shooting political dissidents, and then referring to Al-Qaida or ISIS.
- like_any_other 9mo ago
  > It's a neo nazi terrorist group with a political wing! If you have a source showing AfD organized terrorist attacks, please present it. I could find no such thing. > There are 9 main parties in Germany, AfD doesn't even make top 10… In the 2025 elections, the largest party, the CDU, got 28.5% of the vote. The AfD came second with 20.8%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2025_German_federal_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2025_German_fed... So you're simply lying.
  - the_why_of_y 9mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Walter_L%C3%BCbcke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Walter_L%C3%BCbcke
    - like_any_other 9mo ago
      > He also had connections to the far-right National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD) and the Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) parties. Following the source wikipedia gives [1], we see the extent of that "connection" was that the killer donated €150 to the AfD, and that the AfD had previously criticized the victim (by sharing the victim's exact own words online). Let's apply your standard evenly then, shall we? A writer for the state-funded left-wing Amadeu Antonio Foundation, armed with hammers and pepper spray, attacked a right-wing activist [2]. This attack was one of many [3]. So by your standard the German state sponsors and endorses terrorists. The US Democrat party wants to create an ICE tracker [4]. ICE agents have been the targets of attacks and ambushes [5,6,6a]. And of course it was hateful rhetoric [7] against Trump and Kirk that led to their (attempted) assassinations by the left. By your standard, the Democrat party engages in stochastic terrorism. Of course that's just guilt by (vague) association. Enough for you, but I have higher standards. Bill Clinton pardoned a terrorist who (among other things) bombed the Senate. She now sits on the board of BLM [8,9]. An axe-wielding maniac attacked a Republican senator's home. Democrat politicians then donated money to the attacker [10]. The founder of the terrorist group Weather Underground [11], Bill Ayers, is now a distinguished professor at the state-funded University of Illinois [12], so we can add them to terrorists as well. As well as the University of California, where the terrorist Angela Davis is also a distinguished professor. "Terrorist" can be a vague term, so let me be specific: she bought the shotgun seen here taped to the neck of Judge Harold Haley, and helped plan the attack that killed him [13]. "In an op-ed piece after the election, Ayers denied any close association with Obama, and criticized the Republican campaign for its use of guilt by association tactics." - perhaps you should reflect on this. So now what? Will you reconsider calling AfD terrorists? Will you instead also call the US Democratic and the German CDU parties terrorists? Maybe even apply more skepticism to the news sources that have so deceived you by cherry-picking what they show you? Or will you reconsider nothing, and just hope the next person you lie to is less informed? Rhetorical question. [1] https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/father-neighbor-killer-germany-s-new-far-right-terror-a-1273689.html https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/father-neighbor... [2] https://www.bild.de/regional/berlin/linksextremisten-greifen-neonazi-in-berlin-mit-messer-an-6936d8bac3b4893a9e2b20bd https://www.bild.de/regional/berlin/linksextremisten-greifen... [3] In 2023, the AfD saw 86 violent attacks on AfD party representatives. This was more than on any other German party. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany [4] https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5566481-ice-tracker-debate-bondi-garcia/ https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5566481-ice-tra... [5] https://www.ngocomment.com/p/the-first-federal-terror-case-against https://www.ngocomment.com/p/the-first-federal-terror-case-a... [6] https://www.fox4news.com/news/texas-ice-detention-center-attack-alvarado https://www.fox4news.com/news/texas-ice-detention-center-att... [6a] https://www.foxnews.com/us/who-joshua-jahn-shooter-deadly-dallas-ice-facility-attack https://www.foxnews.com/us/who-joshua-jahn-shooter-deadly-da... [7] That some of this rhetoric was true makes no difference - the charge of "stochastic terrorism" had no exceptions for truth when used against the right. And indeed the AfD's statements about the victim in the case you linked are not even alleged to be untrue. [8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg [9] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blm-terrorist-rosenberg/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blm-terrorist-rosenberg/ ("mixture" because yes it's all true, but it's "subjective" if bombing government buildings is really terrorism) [10] https://www.kfyrtv.com/2021/01/09/democrats-donate-to-suspect-accused-of-vandalizing-sen-hoevens-office/ https://www.kfyrtv.com/2021/01/09/democrats-donate-to-suspec... [11] At one point, the Weathermen adopted the belief that all white babies were "tainted with the original sin of "skin privilege", declaring "all white babies are pigs" with one Weatherwoman telling feminist poet Robin Morgan "You have no right to that pig male baby" after she saw Morgan breastfeeding her son and told Morgan to put the baby in the garbage. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground [12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers [13] https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/31eyvt/judge_harold_haley_with_shotgun_taped_around_his/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/31eyvt/judge_h...

pessimizer 9mo ago

Will Germany be banning HN for not deleting it and sentencing nik282000 to a prison term then?

08766747563434 9mo ago

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