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Nobody decided that it's a crime, and it's unlikely to happen. Question is, what do you do with mandatory snooping of centralized proprietary services that rend

by jhgb 9mo ago

Nobody decided that it's a crime, and it's unlikely to happen. Question is, what do you do with mandatory snooping of centralized proprietary services that renders them functionally useless aside from "just live with it". I was hoping for actual advice rather than a snarky non-response, yet here we are.

akerl_ 9mo ago
I gave you the answer that exists: I'm not aware of any existing or likely-to-exist secure messaging solution that would be a viable recommendation. The available open-source options come nowhere close to the messaging security that Signal/Whatsapp provide. So you're left with either "find a way to access Signal after they pull out of whatever region has criminalized them operating with a backdoor on comms" or "pick any option that doesn't actually have strong messaging security".
- johnisgood 9mo ago
  > messaging security > WhatsApp Eh? There are alternatives, try Ricochet (Refresh) or Cwtch.
  - akerl_ 9mo ago
    I stand by what I said.
    - johnisgood 9mo ago
      I mean... why?
      - closewith 9mo ago
        Not the GP, but most of us want to communicate with other people, which means SMS or WhatsApp. No point have perfect one-time-pad encryption and no one to share pads with.
Fnoord 9mo ago
> Nobody decided that it's a crime, and it's unlikely to happen. Which jurisdiction are you on about? [1] Pick your poison. For example, UK has a law forcing suspects to cooperate. This law has been used to convict suspects who weren't cooperating. NL does not, but police can use force to have a suspect unlock a device using finger or face. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law
closewith 9mo ago
You're asking for a technical solution to a political problem. The answer is not to live with it, but become politically active to try to support your principles. No software can save you from an authoritarian government - you can let that fantasy die.
signed-log 9mo ago
Most countries will throw you in jail for years if you refuse to give the password to encrypted devices they want. [1] And that's even if you are innocent on the underlying charge or search. Encryption in this political climate, is a pick your poison. - Either you go to jail for years but you know your gov and other actors has no access to your data. - or you store on remote/proprietary apps, stay free, but your gov or other actors may or may not have access to it. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law

by jhgb 9mo ago

akerl_ 9mo ago

I gave you the answer that exists: I'm not aware of any existing or likely-to-exist secure messaging solution that would be a viable recommendation. The available open-source options come nowhere close to the messaging security that Signal/Whatsapp provide. So you're left with either "find a way to access Signal after they pull out of whatever region has criminalized them operating with a backdoor on comms" or "pick any option that doesn't actually have strong messaging security".

johnisgood 9mo ago
> messaging security > WhatsApp Eh? There are alternatives, try Ricochet (Refresh) or Cwtch.
- akerl_ 9mo ago
  I stand by what I said.
  - johnisgood 9mo ago
    I mean... why?
    - closewith 9mo ago
      Not the GP, but most of us want to communicate with other people, which means SMS or WhatsApp. No point have perfect one-time-pad encryption and no one to share pads with.

Fnoord 9mo ago

> Nobody decided that it's a crime, and it's unlikely to happen. Which jurisdiction are you on about? [1] Pick your poison. For example, UK has a law forcing suspects to cooperate. This law has been used to convict suspects who weren't cooperating. NL does not, but police can use force to have a suspect unlock a device using finger or face. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law

closewith 9mo ago

You're asking for a technical solution to a political problem. The answer is not to live with it, but become politically active to try to support your principles. No software can save you from an authoritarian government - you can let that fantasy die.

signed-log 9mo ago

Most countries will throw you in jail for years if you refuse to give the password to encrypted devices they want. [1] And that's even if you are innocent on the underlying charge or search. Encryption in this political climate, is a pick your poison. - Either you go to jail for years but you know your gov and other actors has no access to your data. - or you store on remote/proprietary apps, stay free, but your gov or other actors may or may not have access to it. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law