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Do Female Executives Drive Start-up Success?
- orangethirty 14y agoI don't know about female executives, but female hackers are a pleasure to work with. I'm lucky to be working with two right now on Nuuton, and its just great. Very smart hackers without the testosterone driven need to prove themselves on every opportunity. They just work independently and give great feedback. They are a key driver of the success of Nuuton.
- diego 14y agoI agree. My team at LinkedIn was awesome in that respect. There were several women on it. They were extremely talented from a technical perspective, and their communication skills were great. I'd echo what you said.
- k33n 14y agoSeems like pretty stereotypical ways to view genders in the workplace. I've worked with women who are always trying to look good at someone else's expense. I've worked with men who work independently and give great feedback. Gender has almost nothing to do with it. Your experiences are purely anecdotal.
- orangethirty 14y agoYou are right.
- kkwok 14y agoIf I'm reading the study correctly the impact seems to be: 1) There is a correlation between female execs and success, so companies that tend to do better are also companies that tend to have female executives. 2) We can't make any statements about causation, so this means it's not effective for companies to just say let's hire female executives--without fixing any underlying reasons they didn't before. In fact I'd guess it's more likely that both success and having female executives is a result of a better firm culture/outlook rather than one of them being the direct cause of the other.
- kakK4k 14y agoI wonder if these companies are actually kitchens.
- vilda 14y agoOut of curiosity, I often read gender/green studies mentioned in mainstresm press, published by various NGO. I am constantly horrified how misused statistics is. I believe that most of these studies are written for a specific purpose and math is there just to give it a science-cover. Even worse, I hear them cited by politicians making a real impact to our lives.
- trhtrsh 14y agos|gender/green||; s|NGO|organizations|
- mishia29 14y agoI think that female executives have this inner intuition that connects them well with customers; that's why they're doing well on social media. Just a thought.
- mammalfriend 14y agoIt doesn't appear that they controlled for the size of the company. So it could be that larger companies in the survey (but still "startups") have more females, since they hired and few founders are women. Not that women don't drive startup success! But DJ disappoints on statistical analysis.
- sxp 14y agoOne other factor that's missing from the study is the level of success achieved by the companies. Instead of just grouping companies into "Generating Revenue"/"Profitable" or "IPO'd", they should have done a breakdown by how successful the company is. If the stereotype that bell curves for men and women have the different stdevs is true, then the data would show that companies founded by men have both a higher chance of failure (higher risk) but also a larger return on investment. Unfortunately, most gender based studies tend to only care about the means of the samples and ignore the stdevs. For something like the founding of a successful company, the black swans at the tail of the bell curves matter more than the rest of the bell curve which consists of failures or mediocre successes.
- richforrester 14y agoPersonally, I don't really give a hoot about the gender of who I work with - pleasing aesthetics are nice, but I'd work with Swamp Thing if he'd get the job done. I'm sure there's just as many well spoken, even-keeled men as there are women, and perhaps women do come out of this test better than men. Maybe because they have to work harder to overcome discrimination, maybe because they charm their way into the mainly male start-up work-force. Again, it doesn't matter. Don't go out looking for particular genders, because all you're doing is limiting yourself. tldr: tldr.
- groby_b 14y agoSee, it's statements like that which annoy women. What do "pleasing aesthetics" have to do with anything? Why do you even need to refer to that when you talk about women? And then, just for good measure, the good old "she must've slept her way up the ladder" trope. No, I can assure you, we (for the large majority, at the very least) have not "charmed our way into the work force". We've worked pretty damn hard to get there. We put up with a lot of bullshit, and yes, we (on average) put up with more bullshit than the average male dev.
- esharef 14y agoThank god for this comment. "Charmed our way." haha
- richforrester 14y agoSee below/above. I'm saying that I don't give a hoot about how. My point was that discriminating against man is just as stupid as discriminating against women.
- richforrester 14y agoWow. Way to take those bits out of context. 1) I said that I don't care whether someone's a woman (aesthetically a more pleasing option to me than a man) or a man, as long as they get the job done. 2) I said that whether someone got somewhere by charm or by working hard, I don't give a rats bottom. As long as they get the job done. Basically, I'm making your case for you and you're still picking a fight? Would you rather I said "I'd hire a woman because this article says they're better"? Screw that. I'd hire whomever I think would get the job done. Period. I hate discrimination. Either way.
- Jun8 14y agoOne thing that annoyed me (and it's typical of writing on gender and racial issues) is that he bends over backwards to state, effectively, "not that having women execs don't drive success". This hyper-careful threading brings to mind the famous Seinfeld "not that there's anything wrong with that" episode ("The Outing"). My approach in these matters is Bayesian: Do having female, black, Asian, Indian, etc. executives drive start-up success? The a priori probability I assign to this statement is 0.5, i.e. may or may not. I also employ the My Human Law of Large Numbers, i.e. any "large enough" human population (i) has a Gaussian distribution of any cognitive skill and (ii) the parameters of this distribution is pretty much independent of the particular population sample. I don't have solid proof of this principle and in certain subdomains it may be wrong (e.g. the great cognitive differences between men and women debate, etc.) but I doubt that population differences would be significant. Now, armed with the simple Bayesian approach and the MHLLN, we can see that most of these articles are BS. The evidence to move the a priori value of 0.5 up or down should be substantial, e.g "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof". I would be extremely surprised if any gender, racial, etc. factor would derive success of any size company. Since the above analysis is rather trivial, one then has to ask why these things continue to be written. I think the motivation is usually benign: One sees the dearth of women in startups and wants to show that "it's a good thing". This approach, however, is misguided in that, by making silly arguments or sub-par statistical analysis, it hurts the cause due to the "the lady doth protest too much" effect: many people politely nod, but see through your sloppiness and internally become convinced of just the opposite cause (especially if they are inclined to do so, i.e. if the prior was less than 0.5). A quote I like a lot is "To be ideological is to preconceive reality." These authors, rather than being objective, have already decided what their results will be and are just filling up the blanks.
- sopooneo 14y agoIf you believe the distribution of cognitive abilities to be orthogonal to race/gender, why set your a priori at 0.5? I may be misunderstanding (my stats knowledge is low) but it seems you see no reason a particular statement should be true, yet assume a fifty fifty chance that it is true.
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- riams 14y agoOnce again, this is the product of unclear thinking, not distinguishing between correlation vs. causation. This is not a hard concept to grasp, so I'm really disappointed in mankind that we let this mistake happen so often. Since gender equality is such a hot and sensitive topic, I can see how it incentivized people to jump to such conclusions.
- carsongross 14y agoI couldn't give a shit less if someone is male or female: either they can help me code&sell and they can stomach startup life (which is not for everyone, and certainly not for me in the long run) or not. Period. Who hires sex/gender? Big companies and organizations. Startups hire specific people who can do specific things, and, quite literally, can't afford to give much of a shit about this stuff.
- aaronbrethorst 14y agohttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/24/you-might-be-discriminating-ag.html http://boingboing.net/2012/09/24/you-might-be-discriminating...
- carsongross 14y agoWell, then, I guess my competitors will take advantage of my cognitive disability, eat my lunch, and I'll learn my lesson, won't I?
- btilly 14y agoIf you're like most people, the least likely claim, by far, is I'll learn my lesson. Most of us manage to come up with theories to explain our failures that direct blame away from us, and for any unsuccessful startup there are so many obvious candidate explanations for failure that useful self-examination would take a miracle.
- carsongross 14y agoDoes this apply to women as well?
- btilly 14y agoAs far as I know, yes.
- daveman 14y agoThat kind of hokey abuse of statistics always gets me riled up. Just because cigar smokers are likely to live longer doesn't mean the habit extends longevity. A more telling study might be to compare success rates of startups with all female teams, versus all male teams. Then at least you remove the bias of having success attract a more gender-diverse team. Although you'd probably need to correct for industry area, since I'm guessing females choose a different set of markets to go after, in aggregate. Crappy logic aside, I actually do think the original claim that women boost startup success is probably true. It's super valuable having team members who understand 50% of the population (and ~85% of purchasers), and knowing your customers is critical.
- programminggeek 14y agoNot to sound like a guy, but here goes. No. Do male executives drive start-up success? No. Do smart people drive start-up success? No. Do great coders drive start-up success? No. Do great salesman drive start-up success? No. Does great funding drive start-up success? No. Any or all of the above could in certain situations, but not all situations. If you could mathematically model startup success, you'd probably end up with something that looks and feels a lot like the Google Search ranking algorithm. You'd have possibly hundreds of factors you might tweak up or down over time to try to best fit the data set, but ultimately it's not even close to a guarantee of relevance and it would require some hand tweaking of results at times to be "correct". If someone could reliably define that you need so much of X, Y, Z factors to be the next Facebook, Google, Dropbox, or even Instagram, they would build a factory to build companies that print money. So far no company has truly built that yet.
- therealarmen 14y agoIf someone could reliably define that you need so much of X, Y, Z factors to be the next Facebook, Google, Dropbox, or even Instagram, they would build a factory to build companies that print money. Pretty much YC in a nutshell.
- gnarbarian 14y agoMaybe it's because people they do business with want to sleep with them.
- lettergram 14y agoI kind of feel the answer should be no more than males... Pros and Cons pretty much even out
- coolswan 14y agoPretty related: http://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2012/10/10/do-females-among-first-hires-have-an-effect-on-the-success-of-a-startup/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2012/10/10/do-females-amon... "Startups who have female first hires typically are those with less discriminatory hiring practices. So the effect is not female hires => higher profits, but rather female hires => startup doesn’t discriminate => startup seeks most efficient outcome => maximizes profits."
- Crake 14y agoI really doubt it. Hormonal differences have a large impact on what traits are most commonly found in the "average" woman (or man, depending on what you're looking for), at the very least in regards to increased chance of risk-taking. I think this is pretty firmly established in scientific literature by now. However, any specific person may be above or below another of the opposite sex in any particular category, since the variables are so numerous. Making hiring decisions on the basis of sex would be rather stupid. "You should hire females because we'd like to have more females around" is just as sexist as "you should hire more males because we'd like to have more males around." How about looking for people to hire, instead of specific sets of genitalia? I also think that technically inclined females sometimes have more in common with technically inclined males than they do with "normal" women. A personality amenable to huddling away comfortably in front of a computer screen with a ton of coffee for long periods of time is probably the most crucial factor to success. That's one of the great things about programming though, it's much more talent-based than it is concerned with biological sex, how much money your parents spent on your degree, or whatever else that shouldn't really be relevant but in too many career fields, is still heavily emphasized.
- alid 14y agoThat people are even questioning the value of a person's input based on their sex is a form of subconscious discrimination. The title of this thread - 'Do female executives drive start-up success?' - is a polemic, dichotomous question, inferring a yes/no response. To invert the scenario, it would be intriguing to see the voracity of comments harnessed from an article entitled 'Do male executives drive start-up failure?' - rather absurd, oui? I leave you with this thought - diversity, in all its forms, is a strength in business and in life.
- littlegiantcap 14y agoDiversity for diversity's sake is an empty gesture. Not only that, but diversity for diversities sake is demeaning. I love startups. One of the reason is that when I was in school I despised the political correctness of large, bureaucratic institutions. We exist in a meritocracy, and when success in a startup is already so difficult, anything less than choosing a team based on merit is making an already difficult task damn near impossible.
- jineris 14y agoAs a feminist management theorist and geek, study conclusions like this always frustrate me. Obviously, the study sheds little light on the actual cause of the correlation, but my guess based on my personal experiences with leadership strategy is this: The choice to hire diversely is symptomatic of certain types of thinking: 1) Open / wide / flexible thinking. Someone who hires diversely is more likely to find it easier to conceptualize worldviews farther from their own as still relevant. 2) Civic responsiblity / empathy. A desire to be a part of the solution to gender imbalance rather than a part of the imbalance. 3) Long term thinking. Having people who are more different from you on the team is a more effective solution in the long run, because you're likely to cover more bases. This means that leaders who make the choice to hire diversely are more likely to also be leaders who plan slightly further ahead, are more dextrous in the different ways they could see problems, and able to focus on non-top-down perspectives on the business, such as what the customer might be thinking. (All of this is correlative of course, not a->b.) As a result, leaders who hire diversely are more likely to be already be leaders who are better at running a successful company. Ie, diversity is a litmus, not a direct cause. I would be very, very surprised to find if, someday when women run 50% of companies and are in workforce balance, companies with women executives are still more likely to be successful. EDIT: I do, however, think there is also an edge to leadership that can sometimes come simply from being in a minority, whatever the minority is. Not because there's anything wrong with white men, but simply because there's a unique perspective on problems and indirect causality that you get from being at a cultural disadvantage that, if you manage not to get weighed down by it, ends up being pretty useful in business.
- wildgift 14y agoMaybe female executives tend to choose to work in start-ups that are more likely to succeed. At least that's somewhat implied by the content of the generally sexist blog post at WSJ. So the question is really: what kinds of startups have appeal to women?