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The server runs on the machine that allows clients to connect to it. What is the confusing part about this?

by hitex 9mo ago

quesera 9mo ago
I think the confusion is obvious, given a little empathy for the range of people who use computers. The server is usually a remote machine, especially back in the time when "client-server" architecture was emerging in mainstream (business) vernacular.
- bdhcuidbebe 9mo ago
  The server is not usually a remote machine. The server is the app accepting remote connections. This has been true for decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_(computing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_(computing)
  - quesera 9mo ago
    Please don't imagine that I don't fully understand this. Nevertheless, X11 "server" and "client" have confused very smart and highly technical people. I have had the entertainment of explaining it dozens of times, though rarely recently. And honestly, still, a server is usually a remote machine in all common usage. When "the server's down", it is usually not a problem on your local machine.
jeroenhd 9mo ago
X has the terminology the other way around compared to all other consumer facing software. This is because of its mainframe style history and technically it does make sense, it's just that everybody else does things the other way around. For the people who weren't around in the ancient mainframe times who end up messing with Linux for the first time, this is confusing for a while.
- jbverschoor 9mo ago
  Xhost and xapps
cloudfudge 9mo ago
The part that is counterintuitive to most people when it comes to the "server" terminology is that, with X, your end-user workstation (which may be an incredibly dumb X terminal) is the "display server", which means you remote into a server (in the traditional sense) elsewhere, which then acts as an X client by making requests to your local machine to display windows. The way most people think about it, "client" is your local machine and "server" is the remote machine that has lots of applications and is potentially multi-user, but X turns that backwards. The big iron is the client and the relatively dumb terminal is the server.
- deleted 9mo ago
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drdec 9mo ago
I think most of the confusion arises because when you are tunneling X via ssh, the X client/server is the reverse of the shh client/server. Add to that that the user manages the ssh connection while the X connection is managed for them...

The server runs on the machine that allows clients to connect to it. What is the confusing part about this?

by hitex 9mo ago

The server runs on the machine that allows clients to connect to it. What is the confusing part about this?

I think the confusion is obvious, given a little empathy for the range of people who use computers. The server is usually a remote machine, especially back in the time when "client-server" architecture was emerging in mainstream (business) vernacular.

bdhcuidbebe 9mo ago
The server is not usually a remote machine. The server is the app accepting remote connections. This has been true for decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_(computing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_(computing)
- quesera 9mo ago
  Please don't imagine that I don't fully understand this. Nevertheless, X11 "server" and "client" have confused very smart and highly technical people. I have had the entertainment of explaining it dozens of times, though rarely recently. And honestly, still, a server is usually a remote machine in all common usage. When "the server's down", it is usually not a problem on your local machine.

jeroenhd 9mo ago

X has the terminology the other way around compared to all other consumer facing software. This is because of its mainframe style history and technically it does make sense, it's just that everybody else does things the other way around. For the people who weren't around in the ancient mainframe times who end up messing with Linux for the first time, this is confusing for a while.

jbverschoor 9mo ago
Xhost and xapps

cloudfudge 9mo ago

The part that is counterintuitive to most people when it comes to the "server" terminology is that, with X, your end-user workstation (which may be an incredibly dumb X terminal) is the "display server", which means you remote into a server (in the traditional sense) elsewhere, which then acts as an X client by making requests to your local machine to display windows. The way most people think about it, "client" is your local machine and "server" is the remote machine that has lots of applications and is potentially multi-user, but X turns that backwards. The big iron is the client and the relatively dumb terminal is the server.

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drdec 9mo ago

I think most of the confusion arises because when you are tunneling X via ssh, the X client/server is the reverse of the shh client/server. Add to that that the user manages the ssh connection while the X connection is managed for them...