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Italy's unconsolidated budget for 2025 is projected to be around 700 billion euros in revenue and 900 billion in expenditures: https://www.rgs.mef.gov.it/VERSI

by franch 9mo ago

Italy's unconsolidated budget for 2025 is projected to be around 700 billion euros in revenue and 900 billion in expenditures: https://www.rgs.mef.gov.it/VERSIONE-I/attivita_istituzionali/formazione_e_gestione_del_bilancio/bilancio_di_previsione/bilancio_semplificato/ https://www.rgs.mef.gov.it/VERSIONE-I/attivita_istituzionali... So yeah, whoever talks about these fines as a strategy for fixing the budget knows nothing about the actual budget of a G7 state, these fines are completely immaterial to Italian fiscal policy. For perspective, that's roughly equivalent to someone with a €50,000 annual income finding €7 on the street and someone claiming they're doing it "to survive."

dmix 9mo ago
From a post I saw on reddit: > In 2024 EU fined US tech companies €3.8B meanwhile public internet tech companies paid only €3.2B in income tax How is it not a major budget contribution to have fines on American companies bigger than revenue from your entire tech industry? That is a de facto tax, particularly when they announce these new fines monthly like clockwork.
- franch 9mo ago
  The relevant comparison is fines vs. actual budget, not fines vs. some cherry-picked industry segment. EU general government spending (across 27 nations) in 2023 was around €8.4 trillion. €3.8B in fines is 0.045% of that, again, completely immaterial. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1379290/government-expenditure-eu-spending-total-by-function/#:~:text=Total%20government%20spending%20by%20the,2%2C712%2C993 https://www.statista.com/statistics/1379290/government-expen...
  - wqaatwt 9mo ago
    By that standard any actual tax or other income source that’s not at least 1-2% is immaterial and should be removed?
- manuelmoreale 9mo ago
  Income tax paid by public internet tech companies is not the same as “revenues from the entire tech industry” This report is indicating around 800B in value for the sector (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=ICT_sector_-_value_added,_employment_and_R%26D https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...) While other reports have significant higher numbers https://en.ilsole24ore.com/art/tech-europe-is-worth-4000-billion-dollars-but-italy-investments-dramatically-decline-AHdSigqD https://en.ilsole24ore.com/art/tech-europe-is-worth-4000-bil...
- troupo 9mo ago
  > fines on American companies bigger than revenue from your entire tech industry? 1. As someone already mentioned, taxes != revenue 2. On top of that, "public internet companies" != "entire tech industry" 3. On top of that, tax evasion and creative accounting by "public internet companies" companies is well known, documented, and is subject to additional fines (not as often or as much as they deserve) 4. On top of that "announce these new fines monthly like clockwork" speaks volumes about the state of the "public internet companies" and there continuous disregard for the law.

by franch 9mo ago

dmix 9mo ago

From a post I saw on reddit: > In 2024 EU fined US tech companies €3.8B meanwhile public internet tech companies paid only €3.2B in income tax How is it not a major budget contribution to have fines on American companies bigger than revenue from your entire tech industry? That is a de facto tax, particularly when they announce these new fines monthly like clockwork.

franch 9mo ago
The relevant comparison is fines vs. actual budget, not fines vs. some cherry-picked industry segment. EU general government spending (across 27 nations) in 2023 was around €8.4 trillion. €3.8B in fines is 0.045% of that, again, completely immaterial. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1379290/government-expenditure-eu-spending-total-by-function/#:~:text=Total%20government%20spending%20by%20the,2%2C712%2C993 https://www.statista.com/statistics/1379290/government-expen...
- wqaatwt 9mo ago
  By that standard any actual tax or other income source that’s not at least 1-2% is immaterial and should be removed?
manuelmoreale 9mo ago
Income tax paid by public internet tech companies is not the same as “revenues from the entire tech industry” This report is indicating around 800B in value for the sector (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=ICT_sector_-_value_added,_employment_and_R%26D https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...) While other reports have significant higher numbers https://en.ilsole24ore.com/art/tech-europe-is-worth-4000-billion-dollars-but-italy-investments-dramatically-decline-AHdSigqD https://en.ilsole24ore.com/art/tech-europe-is-worth-4000-bil...
troupo 9mo ago
> fines on American companies bigger than revenue from your entire tech industry? 1. As someone already mentioned, taxes != revenue 2. On top of that, "public internet companies" != "entire tech industry" 3. On top of that, tax evasion and creative accounting by "public internet companies" companies is well known, documented, and is subject to additional fines (not as often or as much as they deserve) 4. On top of that "announce these new fines monthly like clockwork" speaks volumes about the state of the "public internet companies" and there continuous disregard for the law.