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A couple of years ago ARIN increased their fees considerably - way higher than fees paid to RIPE for way less resources - and had a call with their management t
by gbil 9mo ago
A couple of years ago ARIN increased their fees considerably - way higher than fees paid to RIPE for way less resources - and had a call with their management to express my frustration, not because I was paying from my pocket but because of the high discrepancy of the what they wanted to get and the quantity/quality of their services. Now I can see that their backbone services haven't really improved while their income for sure has.
On a sidenote, what I appreciate in both RIPE and ARIN is that you can have at least a proper discussion when you have valid arguments with their support teams.
- rmoriz 9mo agoNow ARIN is much cheaper than RIPE for small entities.
- rmoriz 9mo agofee schedules FYI - ARIN 2026 PDF: https://www.arin.net/resources/fees/images/2026feeschedule.pdf https://www.arin.net/resources/fees/images/2026feeschedule.p... - RIPE 2026 : https://www.ripe.net/membership/payment/ https://www.ripe.net/membership/payment/ Enthusiasts, trainees and small orgs are paying a lot more with RIPE.
- icedchai 9mo agoNot necessarily. Many have their RIPE registrations through an existing, “sponsoring” LIR. They’re not paying that 1800 Euro, the LIR is.
- rmoriz 9mo agoA single AS resource and a single PI assignment cost more than the ARIN fee.
- icedchai 9mo agoAre you sure? For RIPE I see a 50 ASN plus 75 euro PI fee. ARIN is $275. Maybe I’m looking at it wrong. It’s cheaper as a hobbyist to use a RIPE LIR. Even in the US. That’s what I’ve been doing for years.
- rmoriz 9mo agoafaik that's +VAT and also for LIRs only. LIRs apply markup, see https://www.lir.services/lir-sponsoring/ https://www.lir.services/lir-sponsoring/ they charge 200€ per resource, so ASN + PI would be at last 400€/year that's way above the price of ARIN and you have a middleman. You must have a sponsoring LIR for your resources or become a LIR yourself. The only exception is LEGACY resources (IPv4, no ASN) but that's a different story.
- icedchai 9mo agoThere are more competitive LIRs out there. Example: https://lagrange.cloud/products/lir https://lagrange.cloud/products/lir It’s also cheaper for me because I have legacy ARIN space. All I really needed was an ASN. The LIR gives me some PA v6 space for cheap, too.
- rmoriz 9mo agoOkay, but that is not enough to operate independently. PA v6 is another dependency. With ARIN you get your personal IPv6 assignment.
- icedchai 9mo agoFor a hobbyist, the difference is academic. You can announce PA space with your own ASN, which is what I do. If I change LIRs I’ll have to renumber my IPv6 space.
- rmoriz 9mo agoCompanies offering LIR services to hobbyists are probably not going to stay in business forever, as many of them are 1 person companies, too. Also keep in mind that they may change pricing. I understand, that with IPv6 the numbering strategy is almost always automatic and a renumbering can be done in a couple of hours, but it's still an inconvenience, especially when you have to update a lot of AAAA records. I really think that when you start to operate an AS that you should have a direct RIR membership. And as mentioned above, RIPE has a higher financial entry barrier. I remember they had an object volume based pricing scheme 15 years ago, just like ARIN still has.