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Employers would have to be pretty spiteful to look at it the way you purposed. I wouldn't want a spiteful employer. The flip side is that a lot of government j

Employers would have to be pretty spiteful to look at it the way you purposed. I wouldn't want a spiteful employer. The flip side is that a lot of government jobs lead to pretty good private sector opportunities working with those same agencies. If you want to contact to DOE, knowing how it works in the inside and knowing people there definitely helps. A lot of military contractors are former military. Who better to design something for a soldier than a soldier?

afavour 9mo ago
> Employers would have to be pretty spiteful to look at it the way you purposed I disagree. If a persons resume contains description of blatantly harmful work how else can I interpret it but negatively? At best you’d have to chalk it up to “just following orders” but I don’t want blind obedience in a prospective employee either. The destruction caused by DOGE is evident to anyone with eyes, as is the agency’s complete lack of achievement. I would absolutely be asking questions about why someone remained there.
- quantified 9mo ago
  These employees will be hired by the companies they helped integrate. Not a single one will look on them poorly. They will have domain knowledge, turf knowledge, and they won't argue about working with MAGA for money.
  - afavour 9mo ago
    Embracing MAGA on your resume can pay dividends when they’re in power. Perhaps less so once the tide (inevitably) turns. There’s a reason a lot of gov tech folks deliberately paint themselves as non partisan.
    - phantasmish 9mo ago
      They’ll be fine in the “defense” industry.
      - rurp 9mo ago
        Even that might be changing. I follow some defense industry folks and I've never seen a time when they were less pro-republican. The gross incompetence and maliciousness by this administration is deeply concerning to most people in the industry. The idiocy we're seeing regarding Venezuela, Russia/Ukraine, alienating every single ally, fumbling on China, and more are putting the US in a much much weaker position going forward. Everyone who's paying attention and not happily in on some graft knows to be worried.
        phantasmish 9mo ago
        Ah, I have no recent insight into that world. I’ll defer to you on this, maybe the “vibe”, as it were, has shifted even there.
- SirMaster 9mo ago
  You seem to be assuming that someone who remained working for DOGE would even want to work for a company who would pass them over for having worked for DOGE.
  - afavour 9mo ago
    That would presume they are able to see into the hearts of hiring managers everywhere
- commandlinefan 9mo ago
  "Why is government so inefficient?" "I would never hire anybody who worked for the government during an administration I didn't vote for!"
  - afavour 9mo ago
    Come on, we can aim for a higher level of discourse than that.
reaperducer 9mo ago
Employers would have to be pretty spiteful to look at it the way you purposed. It's not always that black and white. In spite of appearances, many many companies make hiring decisions based on things other than what's in a resume. For example, a company may have $mm contracts with another company whose owners/operators/shareholders/etc. favor one particular view, political party, or social construct. That company will most certainly look down upon the other company hiring people of a particular background. Or the pressure could be internal. A couple of times in my life I've worked for companies where certain departments were unionized. Even if you weren't in one of those departments, if the company hired you and you had a particular background, the union would object. The real world is very complex.
ActorNightly 9mo ago
Yes and no. I have hired people to work under me. Generally, if someone can pass the interview and do the job, I don't care that much about your views unless you are very outwardly with them. The only time I had to filter out a candidate was due to a quick check of his public social media where he was "enthusiastically" pro Palestine with questionable posts. That being said, having interviewed plenty of ex government or government adjacent people, not a single one can pass even a mediocre interview problem. Most people who work for the government show up expecting to be told what to do, then do it - very few can independently think for themselves. For example, my interview problems are designed to be solved most efficiently with implementing parallelization, but they sound like regular interview problems, so even with LLMs a lot of candidates usually can't solve it unless they give the LLM specific instructions to implement threads, which requires understanding of the problem.
- dabockster 9mo ago
  > Most people who work for the government show up expecting to be told what to do, then do it - very few can independently think for themselves. I see this a lot in the private sector too here in Seattle. It's hurting us badly.
  - ActorNightly 9mo ago
    Im all for it. Software job markets are inflated. Id be 100% willing to take a lower salary if that meant a reduction of all salaries across the board. Younger people need to be going into things like EE or MechE instead of CS in hopes of getting a six figure job out of college, living in downtown highrises, while working on something that is essentially funded by ads.
    - baobun 9mo ago
      > Im all for it All for what? Lack of initiative and independent thinking? Did you intend this to be a reply to a different comment?
- redbluered 9mo ago
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afavour 9mo ago

> Employers would have to be pretty spiteful to look at it the way you purposed I disagree. If a persons resume contains description of blatantly harmful work how else can I interpret it but negatively? At best you’d have to chalk it up to “just following orders” but I don’t want blind obedience in a prospective employee either. The destruction caused by DOGE is evident to anyone with eyes, as is the agency’s complete lack of achievement. I would absolutely be asking questions about why someone remained there.

quantified 9mo ago
These employees will be hired by the companies they helped integrate. Not a single one will look on them poorly. They will have domain knowledge, turf knowledge, and they won't argue about working with MAGA for money.
- afavour 9mo ago
  Embracing MAGA on your resume can pay dividends when they’re in power. Perhaps less so once the tide (inevitably) turns. There’s a reason a lot of gov tech folks deliberately paint themselves as non partisan.
  - phantasmish 9mo ago
    They’ll be fine in the “defense” industry.
    - rurp 9mo ago
      Even that might be changing. I follow some defense industry folks and I've never seen a time when they were less pro-republican. The gross incompetence and maliciousness by this administration is deeply concerning to most people in the industry. The idiocy we're seeing regarding Venezuela, Russia/Ukraine, alienating every single ally, fumbling on China, and more are putting the US in a much much weaker position going forward. Everyone who's paying attention and not happily in on some graft knows to be worried.
      - phantasmish 9mo ago
        Ah, I have no recent insight into that world. I’ll defer to you on this, maybe the “vibe”, as it were, has shifted even there.
SirMaster 9mo ago
You seem to be assuming that someone who remained working for DOGE would even want to work for a company who would pass them over for having worked for DOGE.
- afavour 9mo ago
  That would presume they are able to see into the hearts of hiring managers everywhere
commandlinefan 9mo ago
"Why is government so inefficient?" "I would never hire anybody who worked for the government during an administration I didn't vote for!"
- afavour 9mo ago
  Come on, we can aim for a higher level of discourse than that.

reaperducer 9mo ago

Employers would have to be pretty spiteful to look at it the way you purposed. It's not always that black and white. In spite of appearances, many many companies make hiring decisions based on things other than what's in a resume. For example, a company may have $mm contracts with another company whose owners/operators/shareholders/etc. favor one particular view, political party, or social construct. That company will most certainly look down upon the other company hiring people of a particular background. Or the pressure could be internal. A couple of times in my life I've worked for companies where certain departments were unionized. Even if you weren't in one of those departments, if the company hired you and you had a particular background, the union would object. The real world is very complex.

ActorNightly 9mo ago

Yes and no. I have hired people to work under me. Generally, if someone can pass the interview and do the job, I don't care that much about your views unless you are very outwardly with them. The only time I had to filter out a candidate was due to a quick check of his public social media where he was "enthusiastically" pro Palestine with questionable posts. That being said, having interviewed plenty of ex government or government adjacent people, not a single one can pass even a mediocre interview problem. Most people who work for the government show up expecting to be told what to do, then do it - very few can independently think for themselves. For example, my interview problems are designed to be solved most efficiently with implementing parallelization, but they sound like regular interview problems, so even with LLMs a lot of candidates usually can't solve it unless they give the LLM specific instructions to implement threads, which requires understanding of the problem.

dabockster 9mo ago
> Most people who work for the government show up expecting to be told what to do, then do it - very few can independently think for themselves. I see this a lot in the private sector too here in Seattle. It's hurting us badly.
- ActorNightly 9mo ago
  Im all for it. Software job markets are inflated. Id be 100% willing to take a lower salary if that meant a reduction of all salaries across the board. Younger people need to be going into things like EE or MechE instead of CS in hopes of getting a six figure job out of college, living in downtown highrises, while working on something that is essentially funded by ads.
  - baobun 9mo ago
    > Im all for it All for what? Lack of initiative and independent thinking? Did you intend this to be a reply to a different comment?
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