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falcor's point is that we will see this in 5 to 10 years.

callc 9mo ago
Why so long? If AI had such obvious gains, why not accelerate that timeline to 6 months? Take the average time to make a simple app, divide by the supposed productivity speed up, and this should be the time we see a wave of AI coded apps. As time goes on, the only conclusion we can reach (especially looking at the data) is that the productivity gains are not substantial.
- amelius 9mo ago
  > Why so long? Because in the beginning of a new technology, the advantages of the technology benefit only the direct users of the technology (the programmers in this case). However, after a while, the corporations see the benefit and will force their employees into an efficiency battle, until the benefit has shifted mostly away from the employees and towards their bosses. After this efficiency battle, the benefits will become observable from a macro perspective.
falcor84 9mo ago
Exactly. I'm arguing that what we should be focused on at this relatively early stage is not the amount of output but the rate of innovation. It's important to note that we're now arguing about the level of quality of something that was a "ha, ha, interesting" in a sidenote by Andrej Karpathy 10 years ago [0], and then became a "ha, ha, useful for weekend projects" in his tweet from a year ago. I'm looking forward to reading what he'll be saying in the next few years. [0] https://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/ https://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/ [1] https://x.com/karpathy/status/1886192184808149383?s=20 https://x.com/karpathy/status/1886192184808149383?s=20
amelius 9mo ago
This gives me hope that we will finally see some competition to the Android/iOS duopoly.
spit2wind 9mo ago
GPT3 was released in May 2020. Its been nearly 5 years.
- lukeschlather 9mo ago
  The first digital camera was released in around 1975? Digital cameras overtook film camera sales in 2005, 30 years later.
- falcor84 9mo ago
  Why is gpt3 relevant? I can't recall anyone using gpt3 directly to generate code. The closest would probably be Tabnine's autocompletion, which I think first used gpt2, but I can't recall any robust generation of full functions (let alone programs) before late 2022 with the original GitHub copilot.

callc 9mo ago

Why so long? If AI had such obvious gains, why not accelerate that timeline to 6 months? Take the average time to make a simple app, divide by the supposed productivity speed up, and this should be the time we see a wave of AI coded apps. As time goes on, the only conclusion we can reach (especially looking at the data) is that the productivity gains are not substantial.

amelius 9mo ago
> Why so long? Because in the beginning of a new technology, the advantages of the technology benefit only the direct users of the technology (the programmers in this case). However, after a while, the corporations see the benefit and will force their employees into an efficiency battle, until the benefit has shifted mostly away from the employees and towards their bosses. After this efficiency battle, the benefits will become observable from a macro perspective.

falcor84 9mo ago

Exactly. I'm arguing that what we should be focused on at this relatively early stage is not the amount of output but the rate of innovation. It's important to note that we're now arguing about the level of quality of something that was a "ha, ha, interesting" in a sidenote by Andrej Karpathy 10 years ago [0], and then became a "ha, ha, useful for weekend projects" in his tweet from a year ago. I'm looking forward to reading what he'll be saying in the next few years. [0] https://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/ https://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/ [1] https://x.com/karpathy/status/1886192184808149383?s=20 https://x.com/karpathy/status/1886192184808149383?s=20

amelius 9mo ago

This gives me hope that we will finally see some competition to the Android/iOS duopoly.

spit2wind 9mo ago

GPT3 was released in May 2020. Its been nearly 5 years.

lukeschlather 9mo ago
The first digital camera was released in around 1975? Digital cameras overtook film camera sales in 2005, 30 years later.
falcor84 9mo ago
Why is gpt3 relevant? I can't recall anyone using gpt3 directly to generate code. The closest would probably be Tabnine's autocompletion, which I think first used gpt2, but I can't recall any robust generation of full functions (let alone programs) before late 2022 with the original GitHub copilot.