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You don’t need any rights to execute the feature. The user owns the book. The app lets the user feed the book into an LLM, as is absolutely their right, and ask

by catgary 9mo ago

You don’t need any rights to execute the feature. The user owns the book. The app lets the user feed the book into an LLM, as is absolutely their right, and asks questions.

johnnyanmac 9mo ago
>The app lets the user feed the book into an LLM, as is absolutely their right, I don't think that's cut and clear yet. Throwing media onto someone else's server may count as distribution.
- catgary 9mo ago
  Sure, in the sense that any belief about the law isn’t cut and dried until a judge has explicitly dismissed it in the court of law.
- dpark 9mo ago
  How likely do you think it is that Amazon doesn’t have a pre-existing contract with these publishers to host these books on Amazon servers?
Rebelgecko 9mo ago
1. The user doesn't own the book, the user has a revocable license to the book. Amazon has no qualms about taking away books that people have bought 2. I doubt the Kindle version of the LLM will run locally. Is Amazon repurposing the author-provided files, or will the users' device upload the text of the book?
- dpark 9mo ago
  I am so confused by some of the comments in this thread. All these weird mental gymnastics to argue that users should have less rights. “Oh, you think you should be able to use an LLM with a book you paid for? Well you don’t own and book.” Ok, and you like that? You want even less ownership? Less control?
  - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
    > All these weird mental gymnastics to argue that users should have less rights We probably agree more than not. But users getting more rights isn’t universally good. To finish an argument, one must consider the externalities involved.
  - Rebelgecko 9mo ago
    I don't agree with the way you're interpreting the comment. If anything I think it's BAD that you don't really "own" digital content. I guess my argument is that Amazon shouldn't be able to have their cake and eat it too
    - dpark 9mo ago
      You agree that we should own our digital content but it sounds like you don’t want this particular capability because… fuck Amazon. I can totally understand that sentiment but I don’t think giving up end user capabilities to spite Amazon is logically aligned with wanting ownership of digital media.

by catgary 9mo ago

You don’t need any rights to execute the feature. The user owns the book. The app lets the user feed the book into an LLM, as is absolutely their right, and asks questions.

johnnyanmac 9mo ago

>The app lets the user feed the book into an LLM, as is absolutely their right, I don't think that's cut and clear yet. Throwing media onto someone else's server may count as distribution.

catgary 9mo ago
Sure, in the sense that any belief about the law isn’t cut and dried until a judge has explicitly dismissed it in the court of law.
dpark 9mo ago
How likely do you think it is that Amazon doesn’t have a pre-existing contract with these publishers to host these books on Amazon servers?

Rebelgecko 9mo ago

1. The user doesn't own the book, the user has a revocable license to the book. Amazon has no qualms about taking away books that people have bought 2. I doubt the Kindle version of the LLM will run locally. Is Amazon repurposing the author-provided files, or will the users' device upload the text of the book?

dpark 9mo ago
I am so confused by some of the comments in this thread. All these weird mental gymnastics to argue that users should have less rights. “Oh, you think you should be able to use an LLM with a book you paid for? Well you don’t own and book.” Ok, and you like that? You want even less ownership? Less control?
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
  > All these weird mental gymnastics to argue that users should have less rights We probably agree more than not. But users getting more rights isn’t universally good. To finish an argument, one must consider the externalities involved.
- Rebelgecko 9mo ago
  I don't agree with the way you're interpreting the comment. If anything I think it's BAD that you don't really "own" digital content. I guess my argument is that Amazon shouldn't be able to have their cake and eat it too
  - dpark 9mo ago
    You agree that we should own our digital content but it sounds like you don’t want this particular capability because… fuck Amazon. I can totally understand that sentiment but I don’t think giving up end user capabilities to spite Amazon is logically aligned with wanting ownership of digital media.