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I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, you're right--I've seen lots of social media memes that basically say stuff like, "Einstein was an idiot, it was his

by fragrom 9mo ago

I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, you're right--I've seen lots of social media memes that basically say stuff like, "Einstein was an idiot, it was his wife that did all the work!" when that's patently a false statement. But I also know that a lot of that sort of thing DID happen. Women, marginalized groups, etc., were written out of history on a regular basis. The problem is, the issue requires nuance and intellectually honest discussion. And that doesn't exist when you're trying to create the next biggest clickbait article or meme.

silisili 9mo ago
Agreed. I'm not sure at what point it must have way overcorrected. Most if not every single thing I was taught in school that a lot members of this group did/invented turned out to be an exaggeration or outright lie, I came to find out later. Which is a shame, because most of their stories are interesting in their own right to have been properly explained. Now, instead of lifting anyone up, we're doing some weird dance of fighting back and forth about who is lying(and usually, the answer is both sides).
- naasking 9mo ago
  > Most if not every single thing I was taught in school that a lot members of this group did/invented turned out to be an exaggeration or outright lie, I came to find out later. I think this (unfortunately common) impression comes from a misunderstanding of how scientific work actually happens. No one is working independently in their own labs and doing all of the work without help from anyone else, ultimately culminating in a Eureka! All of this work is collaborative, and recognition of individuals who had a particularly compelling insight or experimental result in this collaborative process is not a dismissal or denigration of anyone else who may have contributed.
globular-toast 9mo ago
> Women, marginalized groups, etc., were written out of history on a regular basis. Written out? Or just not written in? There's a big difference. Almost everyone isn't written into history. But nobody cares about the white men who aren't written in because the people who are were also white men. It's quite likely the next Einstein will be a man. But that doesn't mean that being a man means you're likely to be the next Einstein. The problem is we are all obsessed with finding the very best people in each category whether it be science, sports, arts etc. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, it's just what we're like. If you were going to read a memoir would you pick Einstein, or the janitor who cleaned his office? It just so happens that many of these "top spots" will be occupied by men, for one reason or another. I can see that it sucks if there are no role models that you can relate to. It must seem like boys have all this potential and that's not fair. But 99% of them won't succeed, and that sucks too. The grass is always greener on the other side.
- malcolmgreaves 9mo ago
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  - griffel 9mo ago
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  - globular-toast 9mo ago
    Come on... It's 2025. If this were true you don't think by now at least one woman would have published her work under a man's name just to prove a point? It takes a certain type of brain to be an Einstein. That type of brain is extremely rare in any part of the population, but it's exceedingly rare for women. It's not better or worse, it's just different. It's like red paint or blue paint. You don't have to rank one higher than the other, but you clearly do. Look inside yourself and ask why. If you want to make a difference you'd find a way for everyone to feel great about themselves rather than assume malice.
    - malcolmgreaves 9mo ago
      > but it's exceedingly rare for women. Completely false. You will never find evidence for this claim because it's a lie. 100 percent of the time when someone writes this lie, they're covering up for their own intellectual shortcomings. You're smart enough to realize that your mind doesn't measure up. But unfortunately, you're not smart enough to learn that you are the one holding back your own intellectual abilities. With time, I hope you grow into a more serious person.
- nicole_express 9mo ago
  > Written out? Or just not written in? There's a big difference. Almost everyone isn't written into history. But nobody cares about the white men who aren't written in because the people who are were also white men. I mean, not too long ago there was a very popular movement online about celebrating white man Nikola Tesla, who was seen as not being given his fair place in history for his discoveries. People love a perceived underdog.

by fragrom 9mo ago

silisili 9mo ago

Agreed. I'm not sure at what point it must have way overcorrected. Most if not every single thing I was taught in school that a lot members of this group did/invented turned out to be an exaggeration or outright lie, I came to find out later. Which is a shame, because most of their stories are interesting in their own right to have been properly explained. Now, instead of lifting anyone up, we're doing some weird dance of fighting back and forth about who is lying(and usually, the answer is both sides).

naasking 9mo ago
> Most if not every single thing I was taught in school that a lot members of this group did/invented turned out to be an exaggeration or outright lie, I came to find out later. I think this (unfortunately common) impression comes from a misunderstanding of how scientific work actually happens. No one is working independently in their own labs and doing all of the work without help from anyone else, ultimately culminating in a Eureka! All of this work is collaborative, and recognition of individuals who had a particularly compelling insight or experimental result in this collaborative process is not a dismissal or denigration of anyone else who may have contributed.

globular-toast 9mo ago

> Women, marginalized groups, etc., were written out of history on a regular basis. Written out? Or just not written in? There's a big difference. Almost everyone isn't written into history. But nobody cares about the white men who aren't written in because the people who are were also white men. It's quite likely the next Einstein will be a man. But that doesn't mean that being a man means you're likely to be the next Einstein. The problem is we are all obsessed with finding the very best people in each category whether it be science, sports, arts etc. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, it's just what we're like. If you were going to read a memoir would you pick Einstein, or the janitor who cleaned his office? It just so happens that many of these "top spots" will be occupied by men, for one reason or another. I can see that it sucks if there are no role models that you can relate to. It must seem like boys have all this potential and that's not fair. But 99% of them won't succeed, and that sucks too. The grass is always greener on the other side.

malcolmgreaves 9mo ago
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- griffel 9mo ago
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- globular-toast 9mo ago
  Come on... It's 2025. If this were true you don't think by now at least one woman would have published her work under a man's name just to prove a point? It takes a certain type of brain to be an Einstein. That type of brain is extremely rare in any part of the population, but it's exceedingly rare for women. It's not better or worse, it's just different. It's like red paint or blue paint. You don't have to rank one higher than the other, but you clearly do. Look inside yourself and ask why. If you want to make a difference you'd find a way for everyone to feel great about themselves rather than assume malice.
  - malcolmgreaves 9mo ago
    > but it's exceedingly rare for women. Completely false. You will never find evidence for this claim because it's a lie. 100 percent of the time when someone writes this lie, they're covering up for their own intellectual shortcomings. You're smart enough to realize that your mind doesn't measure up. But unfortunately, you're not smart enough to learn that you are the one holding back your own intellectual abilities. With time, I hope you grow into a more serious person.
nicole_express 9mo ago
> Written out? Or just not written in? There's a big difference. Almost everyone isn't written into history. But nobody cares about the white men who aren't written in because the people who are were also white men. I mean, not too long ago there was a very popular movement online about celebrating white man Nikola Tesla, who was seen as not being given his fair place in history for his discoveries. People love a perceived underdog.