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It is not that simple: Authoritarians that want to "protect" their gender-questioning or orientation-questioning children from having online access to trans an

by pryce 9mo ago

It is not that simple: Authoritarians that want to "protect" their gender-questioning or orientation-questioning children from having online access to trans and gay spaces online are not only enthusiastically backing Australia's social media ban, they are involved in the very creation of this legislation, and are delighted in its negative affects on LGBTQ teens. There is considerable overlap between those who subscribe to the "trans people are a contagion" moral panic of writer Abigail Schrier, and the "ban social media" advocates in AU who were instrumental in creating this legislation.

badc0ffee 9mo ago
On the contrary, that has nothing to do with the LGB. Shrier believes the T concept, specifically, is a social contagion like anorexia.
- pseudalopex 9mo ago
  Their comment did not attribute to Shrier any view of sexual orientation. People who consider gender identity illegitimate and people who consider sexual orientation illegitimate overlap.
  - badc0ffee 9mo ago
    And, people who consider gender identity illegitimate and people who consider sexual orientation legitimate overlap.
- pryce 9mo ago
  A wall street journal opinion columnist - Shrier- with zero medical training wrote a book to create a moral panic in the public about trans teens, based on the discredited ideas from Lisa Littman's ROGD "research", where in this case the word "research" actually means: reports from parents recruited from well-known anti-trans websites.
nuggets 9mo ago
There's not really any plausible explanation as to why referrals to pediatric gender clinics became so skewed towards girls who want to be boys, other than social contagion. The sticking point is that it's politically controversial to point this out because of progressive beliefs about gender identity as an unquestionable facet of someone's being.
- yosame 9mo ago
  I'm pretty sure this take is incorrect on multiple accounts. Trans demographics tend to skew towards trans women by about a third, not trans men - at least in all the research I've come across. And regardless, increased acceptance and awareness of different gender identities can very plausibily explain increased numbers, not "social contagion". Calling it a contagion is pretty indicative of your underlying beliefs here.
  - nuggets 9mo ago
    Regarding the change in sex ratio for childhood referrals, this is well documented. See for example this paper: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324768316_Sex_Ratio_in_Children_and_Adolescents_Referred_to_the_Gender_Identity_Development_Service_in_the_UK_2009-2016 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324768316_Sex_Ratio... "Social contagion" is social science terminology. It's meant as an analogy not a pejorative.
    - defrost 9mo ago
      Well documented should imply multiple papers across multiple countries and across multiple time periods. If that's the one and only paper you have, then it's a single UK paper that covers seven years of GIDS referrals from numbers that are near zero in 2009 to 1800 referrals in 2016. Statistically, looking at the last graphic in the paper, it's less a case of "becoming so heavily skewed" and likely more a case of "taking several years to reveal the pattern and weights". There's scarce numbers to begin with to make a strong claim as to the "natural balance" of referrals being evident at the start and this "being skewed toward" the later clearer pattern.
holbrad 9mo ago
I thought it was pretty settled that it was social contagion similar to other mental illnesses in the past.
heavyset_go 9mo ago
> It is not that simple: Authoritarians that want to "protect" their gender-questioning or orientation-questioning children from having online access to trans and gay spaces online are not only enthusiastically backing Australia's social media ban, they are involved in the very creation of this legislation, and are delighted in its negative affects on LGBTQ teens. Lawmakers in the US have said this explicitly[1] concerning laws like KOSA[2]: > A co-sponsor of a bipartisan bill intended to protect children from the dangers of social media and other online content appeared to suggest in March that the measure could be used to steer kids away from seeing transgender content online. > In a video recently published by the conservative group Family Policy Alliance, Sen. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., said “protecting minor children from the transgender in this culture” should be among the top priorities of conservative lawmakers. A bill that implements mass surveillance, chilling of free speech and the hurting of marginalized kids is really killing two birds with one stone for some legislators. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/senator-appears-suggest-bipartisan-bill-will-censor-transgender-conten-rcna103479 https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/sena... [2] https://www.stopkosa.com/ https://www.stopkosa.com/
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by pryce 9mo ago

badc0ffee 9mo ago

On the contrary, that has nothing to do with the LGB. Shrier believes the T concept, specifically, is a social contagion like anorexia.

pseudalopex 9mo ago
Their comment did not attribute to Shrier any view of sexual orientation. People who consider gender identity illegitimate and people who consider sexual orientation illegitimate overlap.
- badc0ffee 9mo ago
  And, people who consider gender identity illegitimate and people who consider sexual orientation legitimate overlap.
pryce 9mo ago
A wall street journal opinion columnist - Shrier- with zero medical training wrote a book to create a moral panic in the public about trans teens, based on the discredited ideas from Lisa Littman's ROGD "research", where in this case the word "research" actually means: reports from parents recruited from well-known anti-trans websites.

nuggets 9mo ago

There's not really any plausible explanation as to why referrals to pediatric gender clinics became so skewed towards girls who want to be boys, other than social contagion. The sticking point is that it's politically controversial to point this out because of progressive beliefs about gender identity as an unquestionable facet of someone's being.

yosame 9mo ago
I'm pretty sure this take is incorrect on multiple accounts. Trans demographics tend to skew towards trans women by about a third, not trans men - at least in all the research I've come across. And regardless, increased acceptance and awareness of different gender identities can very plausibily explain increased numbers, not "social contagion". Calling it a contagion is pretty indicative of your underlying beliefs here.
- nuggets 9mo ago
  Regarding the change in sex ratio for childhood referrals, this is well documented. See for example this paper: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324768316_Sex_Ratio_in_Children_and_Adolescents_Referred_to_the_Gender_Identity_Development_Service_in_the_UK_2009-2016 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324768316_Sex_Ratio... "Social contagion" is social science terminology. It's meant as an analogy not a pejorative.
  - defrost 9mo ago
    Well documented should imply multiple papers across multiple countries and across multiple time periods. If that's the one and only paper you have, then it's a single UK paper that covers seven years of GIDS referrals from numbers that are near zero in 2009 to 1800 referrals in 2016. Statistically, looking at the last graphic in the paper, it's less a case of "becoming so heavily skewed" and likely more a case of "taking several years to reveal the pattern and weights". There's scarce numbers to begin with to make a strong claim as to the "natural balance" of referrals being evident at the start and this "being skewed toward" the later clearer pattern.

holbrad 9mo ago

I thought it was pretty settled that it was social contagion similar to other mental illnesses in the past.

heavyset_go 9mo ago

> It is not that simple: Authoritarians that want to "protect" their gender-questioning or orientation-questioning children from having online access to trans and gay spaces online are not only enthusiastically backing Australia's social media ban, they are involved in the very creation of this legislation, and are delighted in its negative affects on LGBTQ teens. Lawmakers in the US have said this explicitly[1] concerning laws like KOSA[2]: > A co-sponsor of a bipartisan bill intended to protect children from the dangers of social media and other online content appeared to suggest in March that the measure could be used to steer kids away from seeing transgender content online. > In a video recently published by the conservative group Family Policy Alliance, Sen. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., said “protecting minor children from the transgender in this culture” should be among the top priorities of conservative lawmakers. A bill that implements mass surveillance, chilling of free speech and the hurting of marginalized kids is really killing two birds with one stone for some legislators. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/senator-appears-suggest-bipartisan-bill-will-censor-transgender-conten-rcna103479 https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/sena... [2] https://www.stopkosa.com/ https://www.stopkosa.com/

nxor 9mo ago
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