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This doesn't change my argument at all. The more money you have, more you benefit from this ruling. Now you can buy a service which was not possible before.

ceejayoz 9mo ago
> Now you can buy a service which was not possible before. It wasn't possible to drive a car in NYC before congestion pricing? I find that… unlikely.
- MLgulabio 9mo ago
  It wasn't possible to buy reduced traffic.
JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
> more money you have, more you benefit from this ruling This is nonsense. The poor of New York benefit from congestion pricing. It means more funding for the public transit they predominantly take. And for the minority who drive for a living it increases their revenues. The opposition to congestion charges comes from principally outside New York, often from folks who have little to no familiarity with it.
- MLgulabio 9mo ago
  As long as this system is a fixed price and is independent of the salary you earn, its benefits the rich more. Its the same principle with kindergarden and late fee; Without a late fee, people sometimes were late getting their kids, with late fees more people were late getting their kids. Now they were able to 'pay' for this. You now can pay for having less traffic for you. Who can afford this? The rich/richer person. This increases inequality.
stetrain 9mo ago
The rich were driving before, and are still driving. The difference is that now they are paying for that service they were already using, and those funds are going to public transit which serves the majority of New Yorkers especially those with lower incomes.
- CryptoBanker 9mo ago
  The problem is that no one in NYC, rich or poor, has any confidence in the MTA's ability to properly and efficiently use these funds. This stems from a long history of incompetence and wastefulness by the MTA
  - stetrain 9mo ago
    Sounds like a great area to advocate for improvement.
  - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
    > no one in NYC, rich or poor, has any confidence in the MTA's ability to properly and efficiently use these funds They're already using them, and the results show. They could have done it cheaper. But the LIRR is operating at Swiss rail efficiecies since the recent electrification and signalling improvements.
    - CryptoBanker 9mo ago
      What electrification and signal improvements are you talking about? Signal upgrades are a constant thing in the MTA, both for the LIRR and the subways. They are not something that just started with congestion pricing funds. Also, efficiency was already on the upswing for the LIRR long before congestion pricing funds[1]. [1] https://www.mta.info/press-release/icymi-governor-hochul-celebrates-long-island-rail-roads-strongest-year-date https://www.mta.info/press-release/icymi-governor-hochul-cel...
      - ceejayoz 9mo ago
        Congestion pricing was agreed to in 2019. Expected revenue was used to budget quite a few projects; this caused a bit of a scare when Hochul put it on hold for a while. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/nyregion/congestion-pricing-cost-hochul.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/nyregion/congestion-prici...
        9mo ago

ceejayoz 9mo ago

> Now you can buy a service which was not possible before. It wasn't possible to drive a car in NYC before congestion pricing? I find that… unlikely.

MLgulabio 9mo ago
It wasn't possible to buy reduced traffic.

JumpCrisscross 9mo ago

> more money you have, more you benefit from this ruling This is nonsense. The poor of New York benefit from congestion pricing. It means more funding for the public transit they predominantly take. And for the minority who drive for a living it increases their revenues. The opposition to congestion charges comes from principally outside New York, often from folks who have little to no familiarity with it.

MLgulabio 9mo ago
As long as this system is a fixed price and is independent of the salary you earn, its benefits the rich more. Its the same principle with kindergarden and late fee; Without a late fee, people sometimes were late getting their kids, with late fees more people were late getting their kids. Now they were able to 'pay' for this. You now can pay for having less traffic for you. Who can afford this? The rich/richer person. This increases inequality.

stetrain 9mo ago

The rich were driving before, and are still driving. The difference is that now they are paying for that service they were already using, and those funds are going to public transit which serves the majority of New Yorkers especially those with lower incomes.

CryptoBanker 9mo ago
The problem is that no one in NYC, rich or poor, has any confidence in the MTA's ability to properly and efficiently use these funds. This stems from a long history of incompetence and wastefulness by the MTA
- stetrain 9mo ago
  Sounds like a great area to advocate for improvement.
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
  > no one in NYC, rich or poor, has any confidence in the MTA's ability to properly and efficiently use these funds They're already using them, and the results show. They could have done it cheaper. But the LIRR is operating at Swiss rail efficiecies since the recent electrification and signalling improvements.
  - CryptoBanker 9mo ago
    What electrification and signal improvements are you talking about? Signal upgrades are a constant thing in the MTA, both for the LIRR and the subways. They are not something that just started with congestion pricing funds. Also, efficiency was already on the upswing for the LIRR long before congestion pricing funds[1]. [1] https://www.mta.info/press-release/icymi-governor-hochul-celebrates-long-island-rail-roads-strongest-year-date https://www.mta.info/press-release/icymi-governor-hochul-cel...
    - ceejayoz 9mo ago
      Congestion pricing was agreed to in 2019. Expected revenue was used to budget quite a few projects; this caused a bit of a scare when Hochul put it on hold for a while. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/nyregion/congestion-pricing-cost-hochul.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/nyregion/congestion-prici...
      - 9mo ago