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> We want to help people in the EU, but with laws like replaceable batteries, it's going to push us further and further away from being able to do that. We wan

by daenney 9mo ago

> We want to help people in the EU, but with laws like replaceable batteries, it's going to push us further and further away from being able to do that. We want to help people, but only if and when it’s profitable for us to do so on terms we decide for you.

protocolture 9mo ago
> A market doesnt want our products, we wont provide those products to that market. The terms seem at least, largely influenced by the laws euros seem happy with. Regulation has a cost.
- littlestymaar 9mo ago
  e-waste also have a cost. And regulations are here to make businesses internalize this cost instead of letting society as a whole pay it out.
  - mannykannot 9mo ago
    Sometimes the cost is that there is no viable product.
    - darkwater 9mo ago
      And that is perfectly fine!
      - mannykannot 9mo ago
        Yes, indeed! But I don’t think Daenney gets it.
      - graeme 9mo ago
        That's not what a lot of proponents of these laws argue. They often state that if a company is making something unavailable in the EU due to one of the laws that the company is throwing a fit or being spiteful.
        darkwater 9mo ago
        And it's also probably true, especially for $MEGACORP. But in general the concept of this kind of laws, as others mentioned, it's to make companies internalize the whole cost of their product impact on the environment. It is GOOD if it drives the price up. At some point people will find it too expensive and they will simply not buy it because it's not worth the cost.
      - protocolture 9mo ago
        Yes its perfectly fine, thats my point. They arent spiting the EU, they are just responding to the legislation by not entering that market. If EU voters are unhappy they can take it up with their government.
widowlark 9mo ago
This is, I believe, the definition of a free market choice
- fao_ 9mo ago
  And this is why regulation exists, QED lol
  - wkat4242 9mo ago
    Yes, a free market isn't the answer to everything. It will never optimise for sustainability unless this is a conscious consumer choice factor. It's way too important to leave it to that though. Hence regulation.
    - flawn 9mo ago
      Just change the underlying economic incentives - but nobody is even barely there yet, except maybe the EU. Doughnut Economics, when are you going to save us (& the planet)?
    - mannykannot 9mo ago
      Fair enough, and I agree that regulation is often needed, but we cannot, in general, expect it to have only the consequences explicitly sought.
sequoia 9mo ago
> We want to help people, but only if and when it’s profitable for us If s/he is running a company and not a charity, this is responsible, understandable, and predictable.
- Epa095 9mo ago
  Yes, and that's exactly why we need regulations, and can't leave it to the market!
- bojan 9mo ago
  Of course, but that makes "help" a weasel word. They want to be able to sell their product, that they possibly strongly feel will help the buyers.
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blitz_skull 9mo ago
Uh... yeah. It's called a business.

by daenney 9mo ago

protocolture 9mo ago

> A market doesnt want our products, we wont provide those products to that market. The terms seem at least, largely influenced by the laws euros seem happy with. Regulation has a cost.

littlestymaar 9mo ago
e-waste also have a cost. And regulations are here to make businesses internalize this cost instead of letting society as a whole pay it out.
- mannykannot 9mo ago
  Sometimes the cost is that there is no viable product.
  - darkwater 9mo ago
    And that is perfectly fine!
    - mannykannot 9mo ago
      Yes, indeed! But I don’t think Daenney gets it.
    - graeme 9mo ago
      That's not what a lot of proponents of these laws argue. They often state that if a company is making something unavailable in the EU due to one of the laws that the company is throwing a fit or being spiteful.
      - darkwater 9mo ago
        And it's also probably true, especially for $MEGACORP. But in general the concept of this kind of laws, as others mentioned, it's to make companies internalize the whole cost of their product impact on the environment. It is GOOD if it drives the price up. At some point people will find it too expensive and they will simply not buy it because it's not worth the cost.
    - protocolture 9mo ago
      Yes its perfectly fine, thats my point. They arent spiting the EU, they are just responding to the legislation by not entering that market. If EU voters are unhappy they can take it up with their government.

widowlark 9mo ago

This is, I believe, the definition of a free market choice

fao_ 9mo ago
And this is why regulation exists, QED lol
- wkat4242 9mo ago
  Yes, a free market isn't the answer to everything. It will never optimise for sustainability unless this is a conscious consumer choice factor. It's way too important to leave it to that though. Hence regulation.
  - flawn 9mo ago
    Just change the underlying economic incentives - but nobody is even barely there yet, except maybe the EU. Doughnut Economics, when are you going to save us (& the planet)?
  - mannykannot 9mo ago
    Fair enough, and I agree that regulation is often needed, but we cannot, in general, expect it to have only the consequences explicitly sought.

sequoia 9mo ago

> We want to help people, but only if and when it’s profitable for us If s/he is running a company and not a charity, this is responsible, understandable, and predictable.

Epa095 9mo ago
Yes, and that's exactly why we need regulations, and can't leave it to the market!
bojan 9mo ago
Of course, but that makes "help" a weasel word. They want to be able to sell their product, that they possibly strongly feel will help the buyers.

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blitz_skull 9mo ago

Uh... yeah. It's called a business.